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We were at the vets on Saturday night for a bad sneezing bout, the doctor pronounced her as fine, but did notice in the examine that her right rear knee cap popped out and then back very easily.

The condition has not manifested itself yet in her every day activities. My question is, while the propensity is there does it have to manifest?

Also if it does manifest and surgery is required how will that effect her long term. Will she be as mobile after?

Thanks. I am very concerned about this diagnosis.

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Don't we all hate this topic! How old is your baby? And what did the doctor grade her knees as?

One of Cloud's Knee is Grade 4, the highest, but it doesn't hurt him so he wont have surgery. My vet spoke to the specialist for me and said not to do the surgery until he has problems...Most ppl on here will tell you their doctors gave them other advice.

Anyway, NC's mom and MANY others say that if ever comes the time you have to have surgery, that when healed properly, they are BETTER than new.

You can give them a Glucosamine supplement that will strengthen their joints as well. Also, you need to keep their weight down and not let them jump high. That's one of Cloud's biggest problem. He likes to jump really high. He thinks he can fly.


It'll be alright.
 

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One day last year Sylphide was "excessive greeting" - going bananas, bouncing all around, and jumped too high and too hard on her legs. Her knee popped out and she was in a lot of pain for a few weeks (we had her treated and medicated).

We thought that for sure she'd be having lots of future problems, but none so far. It healed well, and she has been back to her manic racing, wrestling, running and jumping self since then with no signs of luxating patella.

So you never really know if it will manifest, for how long, if it will be permanent or heal, etc.
 

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Originally posted by ButterCloudandNoriko@May 31 2005, 08:24 AM
Don't we all hate this topic!  How old is your baby?  And what did the doctor grade her knees as?

One of Cloud's Knee is Grade 4, the highest, but it doesn't hurt him so he wont have surgery.  My vet spoke to the specialist for me and said not to do the surgery until he has problems...Most ppl on here will tell you their doctors gave them other advice. 

Anyway, NC's mom and MANY others say that if ever comes the time you have to have surgery, that when healed properly, they are BETTER than new.

You can give them a Glucosamine supplement that will strengthen their joints as well.  Also, you need to keep their weight down and not let them jump high.  That's one of Cloud's biggest problem.  He likes to jump really high.  He thinks he can fly. 


It'll be alright. 

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Thank you for replying. Vet did not grade the problem -- was just providing me information and something to watch out for/worry about. I just got her a playmate and they love to tear around the house chasinging each other. That's my worry. Should I control their play in anticipation of a problem? (Good luck to me on that!).

Where do you get Glucosamine supplements? Bella is not a jumper but she is quite a sprinter. Weight is not an issue for her. I still have to beg her to eat.

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Miko had surgery to correct both of his luxating patellas 6 weeks ago. he is doing great!! He is now walking without a limp but according to surgeon's warning we are supposed to limit all activities for 8 weeks so he is spending most of his time in a playpen or crate. I debated doing the surgery for a while. However, I was concerned that his cartilage was wearing down and would cause early onset of arthritis. Plus he started to limp although it was more like holding up his leg once in a while. We took him to see at least 3 different vets in addition to an orthopedic specialist who ultimately did the surgery. I find that most vets had completely different grading of his knees and some vets just have limited exxperience with joints, that's why we opted for a specialist. We are going back to do x-rays next week and I hope everything will be well. Its a tough decision, but if the surgery has be done, then you would want to do it while they are young and joint damage from luxation of patella is minimal. The recovery from surgery was tough the first week and has gotten much better since then. Feel free to pm me if I could be of any help.
 

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I also wanted to add that we were advised to use ramps to minimize Miko's jumping from bed and couch. Surprisingly he prefers to use the ramp once we bought it and encouraged him to use it.
 

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Some Glucosamine Supplement various ppl recommended using:

Glycoflex
Cosequin
Glyco-flex GF II 300

Ummm, that's all I can find. Chondroitin supplement is good too.

I tried to find where Ladysmom got hers, but I cant seem to go to the link. Maybe you can PM her and ask???
 

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Alex had surgery for cruciate ligament rupture early January. Since we knew he had luxating patella, we had the patella stabilized at the same time. When you see him today you would not think he had surgery. He is running, jumping like he used to do. The patella never bothered him. He injured his knee once by climbing the baby gate and did not need surgery at the time. Last year he started holding his leg up (tho not sure it's the same leg). We think he injured it by running up and down the fence like a devil sometimes even falling over himself getting up a wooden deck. Of course now this is a no no and when the dogs next door are out we don't let him go to the fence by himself. Tho he could injure himself just the same inside by running from one window to the other and jumping on a chair to see them. I don't know how he knows they are out, they don't bark and I can barely see them through the fence. And when on the floor, he cannot see out the window, but somehow he knows they are there. Then 2 houses down the road there are 2 westies who bark their head off a lot (they are a nuisance) and that's not helping of course. But the patella in itself never was a problem for him. And if Bella does not jump that's a good thing.
 

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Originally posted by ButterCloudandNoriko@May 31 2005, 09:04 AM
Some Glucosamine Supplement various ppl recommended using:

Glycoflex
Cosequin
Glyco-flex GF II 300

Ummm, that's all I can find.  Chondroitin supplement is good too. 

I tried to find where Ladysmom got hers, but I cant seem to go to the link.  Maybe you can PM her and ask???
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Does it come is a doggy dosage? How do you know how much to give?

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I believe those are specifically for dogs.
 

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Originally posted by MalteseJane@May 31 2005, 09:09 AM
Alex had surgery for cruciate ligament rupture early January. Since we knew he had luxating patella, we had the patella stabilized at the same time. When you see him today you would not think he had surgery. He is running, jumping like he used to do. The patella never bothered him. He injured his knee once by climbing the baby gate and did not need surgery at the time. Last year he started holding his leg up (tho not sure it's the same leg). We think he injured it by running up and down the fence like a devil sometimes even falling over himself getting up a wooden deck. Of course now this is a no no and when the dogs next door are out we don't let him go to the fence by himself. Tho he could injure himself just the same inside by running from one window to the other and jumping on a chair to see them. I don't know how he knows they are out, they don't bark and I can barely see them through the fence. And when on the floor, he cannot see out the window, but somehow he knows they are there. Then 2 houses down the road there are 2 westies who bark their head off a lot (they are a nuisance) and that's not helping of course. But the patella in itself never was a problem for him. And if Bella does not jump that's a good thing.
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That is encouraging to hear. Bella will not jump. She always barks if for some very isolated incident she gets left alone on the couch or the bed. She is a true Diva. Her buddy, Topper, is another story. He leaps and springs all over the place. Perhaps I should worry more about him. The other day I was shocked to see him leap, with a great broad jump, the two stairs that lead down from the dining room to the living room.

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KV Vet Supply is a good place to get joint supplements. They have a very extensive catalogue so I usually order a few things and get the free shipping and handling on orders over $40.

http://www.kvvet.com

Stick with Glycoflex, Cosequin or Synovi (however you spell it!) as Buttercloud's mom said. The other supplements are cheaper, but they don't contain enough glucosamine to have any effect. The dosage will be on the bottle according to weight. Check the recommendations before you order as some of the formulas (the Glycoflex IV, I think) may be for larger dogs only.
 

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We had a problem with Scooby's left rear knee for a while. The vet gave him a course of Pednezone and it seemed to clear up, but he still had the problem of it popping out when he got excited. He has a low grade luxation and the vet said his joint is not worn in any way.
We also put him on Glucosamine which we got from Foster & Smith web site.
The one he has is called GF 11 300 and it is for small dogs. The tablets are flavored and chewable and Scooby eats it no problems. We give him half a tablet every morning and they are easy to break too as they have the ridge across the middle. Since being on them he has been very good and hasn't had a problem.
The ingredients also include :- Green Lipped Mussel, Glucosamine, Brewers Yeast. They are Veterinarian Approved. The web site is www.DrsFosterSmith.com
Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by Shareyn+May 31 2005, 09:15 AM-->
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Some Glucosamine Supplement various ppl recommended using:

Glycoflex
Cosequin
Glyco-flex GF II 300

Ummm, that's all I can find.  Chondroitin supplement is good too. 

I tried to find where Ladysmom got hers, but I cant seem to go to the link.  Maybe you can PM her and ask???
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Does it come is a doggy dosage? How do you know how much to give?

Thanks

Sharon
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I have used cosequin for our old dog Boca who had cruciate repair done and then injured it again later in life. You get it from your vet, they should give you the proper dose. The only thing is that it isn't cheap. I want to say we paid $90 somthing a bottle 5 years ago. A girl at work uses something else I don't remember the name but I can find out She is having great results w/it and her 13 yr old golden. It is only like $15 a bottle, if you would like I could find out what it is called.
 
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This is all very interesting as little Archie has this condition also. He hasn't had a problem in a few months, but he's reluctant to play too rough, although he does tear through the house chasing and being chased by Abbey. I had asked the vet at what point he would need an operation if at all, and all she said was when it hurt him too much. I don't want it to get to that point so I'm going to see if I can get the supplements. He's a year and a half now - can they grow out of this condition?
 

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The general rule of thumb with luxating patellas is when the knee starts slipping on its own (meaning the dog will be intermittently lame), then it is time to see a surgeon and discuss surgery.

Many dogs live their entire lives with not quite grade I luxating patellas that do not come out on their own. They don't progress and the dog has no problem. The joint instability, however, can predispose them to other injuries (like a cruciate injury) or worsen with wear and tear of daily life to become symptomatic.

If the patella is luxating on its own, it is causing arthritis in the joint. Surgery interupts the joint capsule and does cause some arthritis, so unless the patellas is luxating on its own, there is no reason to pursue it.

A glucosamine product can be a great addition. I would recommend Cosequin for small animals. The capsule can be opened and sprinkled on food.
 
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