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I didn't want to highjack a different thread.

But Jackie gave some incredible advice about checkups.

I do have a question though. Mia and Leo do get the bordatella, they do go to the groomers. Plus along their walks, there are other dogs. Additionally, my neighbor two doors down takes her dog to a doggy park, that requires no documenation. Leo says hello to her ALL the time.

My vet said just the other day, when we took Leo, who now has a Viral Upper resp. tract infection, that they give the best boratella vaccine out there, but it does not cover all strains.

Leo, is coming along well each day and thank God Mia is symptom free.

Is there a downside to the bordatella? I'd be so afraid for them not to get it.

Also, Mia is fine no symptoms at all, how did she not catch it from Leo?

Leo had to get it somewhere? :( I have to be much more watchful who he says hello to. And trust me I will.

Do any of you get the bordatella vaccine?

Jackie, does it really help or just not at all.
 

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The bordetella immunization is given intranasal, and it is recommended every 6 mo. I don't know how this regime effects the little fluffs. :unsure: Because Star did go to the groomer I did immunize him for the disease.
 

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The bordetella immunization is given intranasal, and it is recommended every 6 mo. I don't know how this regime effects the little fluffs. :unsure: Because Star did go to the groomer I did immunize him for the disease.

That's how my babies get it too.

Thanks Marsha.
 

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I do the same thing Christine - it's so darn hard because there are pros and cons to everything - I trust my vet - I often times vacillate, do research, but ultimately, I have to trust the vet.

~Allie
 

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Christine - the one thing that happened to Tyler when he got his bordetella intranasal last year (first one) was that he started reverse sneezing after it. Never had done that before but read that can come from irritation to the nasal passage. I thought there was also a shot that older dogs can get.
 

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There is a shot (or was within recent years) but my understanding is that the intra-nasal vaccine is more effective.

Neither form of the bordetella vaccine protects a dog from all forms of "kennel cough" because there are a number of different organisms that can cause "kennel cough" in addition to the one named bordetella.
 

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There is a shot (or was within recent years) but my understanding is that the intra-nasal vaccine is more effective.

Neither form of the bordetella vaccine protects a dog from all forms of "kennel cough" because there are a number of different organisms that can cause "kennel cough" in addition to the one named bordetella.
Thank you so much. That's exactly what my vet said.

Thank all of you, I really appreciate it. Very much.
 

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Bailey also has gotten the Bordatella vaccine as he goes to daycare, the groomers and A LOT of other places where he comes in contact with other dogs. Last time he got the intranasal vaccine, he had a strong reaction to it. He basically had kennel cough-like symptoms for about 2 days....bad cough, wheezing, etc. Of course I rushed him to the vet who gave him some meds and he was fine within a couple of days. I don't think I'll be getting this vaccine for him again because of the reaction he had. But I'm a little scared because I know the chances of getting KC are high since he interacts with SO many dogs often. I go back and forth on it, but I've heard that the vaccine is not THAT effective anyways...so it's probably not worth the risk for Bailey.
 

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Bordetella is a bacterial kennel cough. This is what you are presenting. It tends to be a bad pneumonia. The vaccine does not protect against the rest of the canine upper respiratory disease complex (which includes the viral kennel coughs which are most common). Think of kennel cough like a human head cold. There are so many strains of the virus and they constantly mutate. We don't have a vaccine. Same for kennel cough - we can vaccinate for a specific bacteria, but not against all the strains of the "cold virus".

If you don't give it every 6 months, it isn't all that effective.

If you need it for proof for grooming, then that's your answer.

Me, personally...I stay aware of what's being passed around, don't share my dogs' water bowls, and treat any kennel cough immediately. I'm comfortable with this.
 

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I don't vaccinate for bordetella as I don't feel it is a necessary vaccine. I only believe in vaccinating for diseases that are highly contagious and have a high mortality rate (and my dogs must have a real risk for getting the disease).

Kennel cough is similar to the human cold in my opinion...usually it requires no treatment. Antibiotics are sometimes prescribed to stop a secondary bacterial infection. Usually kennel cough just goes away after a few weeks.

Every dog I've personally known to have gotten kennel cough, was vaccinated with bordetella. So what's the point in giving the vaccine if it doesn't protect against most of the strains and dogs commonly get the disease anyway? Plus, I don't feel like kennel cough poses much danger to my pets.

My dogs are six years old and have been around many other dogs their entired lives...including meetups, dog shows, friends' dogs, going to work with me when I worked at a dog boutique/grooming salon, etc. etc. They have never gotten Kennel cough yet and haven't been vaccinated for it. I feel like if they ever get kennel cough, I'll have them treated if necessary. It is a very mild disease when you compare it to diseases like parvo, rabies, and distemper (common core vaccines).

I believe less vaccines are better because vaccines can adversely affect health. So I give the bare minimum that I feel is necessary.
 

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Whether it's necessary or not, is individually determined.

But I think if you're having to board your dog or take them to the groomers, then it may be needed. A lot of boarding facilities seem to require it before boarding your dog.

My Vet recommended it, as kennel cough is contagious and I do board and use the groomers. Also, my malt did contract it after having boarded her last year during the winter- it was easily taken care of though with antibiotics.
 

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I don't vaccinate for bordetella as I don't feel it is a necessary vaccine. I only believe in vaccinating for diseases that are highly contagious and have a high mortality rate (and my dogs must have a real risk for getting the disease).

Kennel cough is similar to the human cold in my opinion...usually it requires no treatment. Antibiotics are sometimes prescribed to stop a secondary bacterial infection. Usually kennel cough just goes away after a few weeks.

Every dog I've personally known to have gotten kennel cough, was vaccinated with bordetella. So what's the point in giving the vaccine if it doesn't protect against most of the strains and dogs commonly get the disease anyway? Plus, I don't feel like kennel cough poses much danger to my pets.

My dogs are six years old and have been around many other dogs their entired lives...including meetups, dog shows, friends' dogs, going to work with me when I worked at a dog boutique/grooming salon, etc. etc. They have never gotten Kennel cough yet and haven't been vaccinated for it. I feel like if they ever get kennel cough, I'll have them treated if necessary. It is a very mild disease when you compare it to diseases like parvo, rabies, and distemper (common core vaccines).

I believe less vaccines are better because vaccines can adversely affect health. So I give the bare minimum that I feel is necessary.
Ditto. I've had a lot of dogs come and go over the past 12 years, including some with kennel cough at the time they arrived. I've only ever had one of my own dogs get kennel cough and he was the only dog who had a current kennel cough vaccination. My dogs go to dog events all the time and are constantly around other dogs. The only precaution I take is keep puppies and their mom separated from my other dogs until they have received their first DHPP shot. I agree that for the most part kennel cough is like the common cold. Even the flu shot for humans doesn't cover every flu strain. Some people never get the flu whether vaccinated or not. And some get the flu despite the fact that they've been vaccinated every year.
 

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Wow, what great wonderful advice. Absolutely wonderful. I was naive in thinking my babies were completely protected and when Leo got sick, who did have the bordatella, I did discuss this with my vet. I just don't want it to happen again or for Mia to get it, or for any of our babies to get it.

They are never boarded, but, they do go to the groomers, and on their walks, Leo has to say hello to every one and every furbaby out there (mostly, Becky and Lilly). That's going to stop. Unless I know the owners other then hello or idle chatter. I do know Becky's owners pretty well, but not enough to where I know for sure and Becky does go to doggy parks.

I did ask my vet this, do you think Leo's immune system is lower or he is more vulnerable, because when I got him, he had kennel cough (or a reaction to a vaccine). ER said kennel cough, when he was a baby, my Vet said it could have been that or a reaction to a vaccine. My vet said no, he is not more vulnerable. Trust me, I DO trust my vet, but I also want to fully understand and gain any further knowledge.

I've never had this happen with any of my dogs or anyone elses.

But all of you put it in persepctive.

Guess what. My Mom just got the flu shot, she is 75. Two hours later, she got very sick and now is fighting a very bad cold. I begged her not to get it. But she insist it wasn't the flu shot.

Thank you all SO much.

Leo, is coming along, but I would say he has about a week to go. His case is mild, as the doc said, but it still takes measures so it gets better and not worse. I do see improvement though.

Mia thankfully is still symptom free. But watching her closely.

Thank you all again SO much.
 
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