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I can well appreciate where you are coming from with the pet dog and the expensive price. Some of the best dogs I've had were given to me. In fact, there are three in my back yard now who are shelter dogs. They love me just as much, look like their breed, and act like their breed. The major expense with them has been their spay and their food. I really liked the statements where it was pointed out that the love was there for your maltese, and the knowledge was there that your dog was not show quality.
Now, the one thing I would like to point out on this topic, from a breeder's standpoint, and from the aspect of someone who is working to produce top dogs....
You would be surprised at the number of inquiries that start out as "just wanting a pet", but the more you talk with the people, the higher their expectations go. They want a certain size, a certain look, certain qualities in coat, all the health testing done, and oh, "please just let me breed one litter for my children". Before long, what it amounts to is the person wants to pay a low price, but expects the same as if the dog were show quality. Last week was a joke. My friend got three inquiries in one day, asking for a two or three hundred dog, because they just wanted a pet. I got two the next day for $200. All were wanting females.
What I'm trying to say, in a nice way, is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want a pet, then be willing to have a dog who may be a little long, have a not so perfect tail set, may not have extensive health testing, or may have a cotton coat. It is doubtful that you would get this from a top breeder, as they have pretty well set the standard for their breedings, and they have so much money involved in the process of doing this that they would need to charge a higher price, just to break even. Like Charmypoo said, the other dogs are out there, they just come from different sources.
Last month, I had some family issues that took up a lot of my time. It was obvious that I would not be there for someone I had planned to sell a pup to. I sent them to a friend who was willing to sell them a show quality pup for the same pet price I quoted, just to help me; however, before long, the questions being asked began to make my friend feel her integrity was being questioned, and she did not feel they would provide the best home for the dog because of what they were asking. She decided it was not in her dog's best interest to go live with them. And, because they questioned her, when I got things resolved here, I did not contact them. I would rather give a pup away than deal with people who set their standards so high for pets that I know they will never be happy with what they obtain.
So, for those of you looking for a new pup, outline your expectations, then be realistic when you contact breeders searching for your pup.
And, on another note, I know some of you have gone to places defined as "show homes" to purchase pups with good pedigree. Some of these are people who have purchased dogs with finished championships from other breeders, but they are not actively involved in showing their own dogs. There is a difference. They have a lot less invested in them than those of us who actively show our own dogs.
This may be a good place to get a nice dog, but I've seen that some of them are charging the same or more than some of us who actively show our dogs.
 

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Originally posted by saltymalty@Oct 15 2005, 07:04 PM
Wow, what wonderful insight both Charmy Poo and Lucy Lou have offered. (And it's kind of fun saying their names three times each really fast too...ok, I'll stop being silly.)
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Thanks for the compliment, and for seeing the other side of the story.

I'm not surprised that the Divine pup is gone. My friend sells her pet pups of superior quality from her waiting list, or almost as soon as they are born.

I've only sold one female, who was too small for show. I sold her into a pet home within 24 hours from the time I decided I was going to do so, and I got almost the same amount as Divine got for theirs. I had three people inquiring about her within that 24 hours. I do sell my male pups a lot cheaper because I don't have the time to keep more of them in coat to see if they will go into a show home. I'm sure other breeders do this too, and it's a good way to get a superior dog at a bargain sometimes.

One of the things that people should look at is people who buy champions from other breeders only for use as a stud. Sometime, these males are sold because they do not produce what the original owner wanted from them. I know of one now that produces really bad dogs, yet the breeder continues to use him. I know of another champion that is going to be sold, although his pedigree is almost solid champions, because he produces dogs that are out of the standard. And on that same note, I know of one of the top dogs from last year that has a son who is now 17 lbs.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that it's more than just pedigree. It's how the people who have these dogs work with them to produce quality dogs. I'm still learning, and I'll tell you I spend more time on this than I did getting my PhD. I think I'm at the "freshman" level right now in dogs.
 
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