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Hi Teaco,Originally posted by Teaco@Apr 3 2005, 07:13 AM
I drove over 20 hrs to PA to purchase four show qualty so called dogs had laid over 2 gran in the ladies hand befor I...
I am a small breeder too, but I never intended to be a breeder.(I don't like the word Breeder) I DON'T BREED FOR THE MONEY this is not the way I make my living. I do breed to improve the quality of my fur kidz even though I am not in the showing end of the dill. But I feel like I have some show quality dogs as well. I bought my first Maltese in 2000 an I fell so much in love with my first I had to have more. I wanted to bless other families with maltese at a reasonable price that a normal person like myself could afford. I have found out the hard way how dirty breeders are. I drove over 20 hrs to PA to purchase four show qualty so called dogs had laid over 2 gran in the ladies hand befor I got there plus laid more money in her hand these dogs I paid show quality prices for an got a good screwing let me tell you.(These dogs was not cheap an mine looked better then these as they got older I seen) was promised breeding rights an AKC papers(I never got papers at all on them) an I beleived this lady, boy was I fooled that women became the lady from H-------
Teaco,
What age were the "show quality pups" you purchased from this lady? Also, who did the evaluation on them prior to your purchase?
They was about 14 wks old. As far as I new the evalution was done by the breeder and another lady that she used her stud. This breeder promised me AKC papers an breeding rights an I never got them called her an called her kept saying they was on the way nothing she got so ugly with me on the phone she as even much lied said she never had my two dogs I left I was taken for over 6 gran from this lady. I know in my heart I never got the 1600 dollar dog that she said I got like she said I was to get. I can't beleive breeders are this ugly an dishonest . I can't imagine treating anybody like she did me an as I have learned from others she has done this to other people. I have gotten allot wiser an not near as trusting when it comes to buying a maltese. I am one that had to learn the hard way an a very exspency lesson at that. Needless to say I love the dogs allot wouldn't take them back to that lady for all the money in China cause I could not place them in her hand to be baby making machines. Maybe someday who knows I might get into the show part of it but that will be sometime down the road. I have allot to learn about these maltese I dont' think a person can learn it all but I am the first to admitt I have learned allot after that ordeal that happened over a yr ago. I was about to give up but I had one lady that purchased one of my boys that said don't let people like that stand in in your way follow your dreams, and she would not of gotten her little son that brightens her life if I would of gave up. People like her kept my spirits up. I will never breed for the money I do it cause I love my fur kidz so much an only raise a few litters a yr. Nothing more beautiful then to see that little life coming in the world that is the best part of it.I am a small breeder too, but I never intended to be a breeder.(I don't like the word Breeder) I DON'T BREED FOR THE MONEY this is not the way I make my living. I do breed to improve the quality of my fur kidz even though I am not in the showing end of the dill. But I feel like I have some show quality dogs as well. I bought my first Maltese in 2000 an I fell so much in love with my first I had to have more. I wanted to bless other families with maltese at a reasonable price that a normal person like myself could afford. I have found out the hard way how dirty breeders are. I drove over 20 hrs to PA to purchase four show qualty so called dogs had laid over 2 gran in the ladies hand befor I got there plus laid more money in her hand these dogs I paid show quality prices for an got a good screwing let me tell you.(These dogs was not cheap an mine looked better then these as they got older I seen) was promised breeding rights an AKC papers(I never got papers at all on them) an I beleived this lady, boy was I fooled that women became the lady from H-------
Teaco,
What age were the "show quality pups" you purchased from this lady? Also, who did the evaluation on them prior to your purchase?
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I will end for now. Lesson well learned.
Teaco
[/B][/QUOTE]Originally posted by CharmyPoo+Apr 3 2005, 02:09 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-TeacoHi Teaco,@Apr 3 2005, 07:13 AM
I drove over 20 hrs to PA to purchase four show qualty so called dogs had laid over 2 gran in the ladies hand befor I...
Wow...we are talking about the same woman. What a small world this isI think I know who you are and I am pretty sure you figured out who I am since I don't hide my identity online. It is a terrible thing what happened to you. I hope the current situation resolves quickly and the other breeder gets her puppy back.![]()
I would not consider someone who bred 1 litter with two show potentials a show breeder. They have yet to prove themselves (my humble opinion). In the past, I have been offered a puppy from them and I ran fast.
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[/QUOTE]Originally posted by CharmyPoo@Apr 3 2005, 03:36 AM
I personally don't understand how some people live off their dogs. I don't want to be mean but most that breed and not show have no other source of income. They basically live off their dogs. I don't know how they do it because I sure can't....my furkids take a chunk of my pay check. I know a breeder who her and her husband have no job. They have been breeding for over 20 years ... if they aren't in it for profit ... I don't know what they are in it for.
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CharmyPoo,Originally posted by okw+Apr 3 2005, 10:18 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-CharmyPoo@Apr 3 2005, 03:36 AM
I personally don't understand how some people live off their dogs. I don't want to be mean but most that breed and not show have no other source of income. They basically live off their dogs. I don't know how they do it because I sure can't....my furkids take a chunk of my pay check. I know a breeder who her and her husband have no job. They have been breeding for over 20 years ... if they aren't in it for profit ... I don't know what they are in it for.
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I think what CharmyPoo is referring to are people like the woman in our neighboring town who has a barn full of dogs. She has a variety of breeds and just produces puppies for her income. She drives an expensive car and probably makes a hefty income off these poor dogs. She knows nothing about pedigrees other than to get some with champions in it, then blast that all over the internet in her websites. I went to her place to look. The dogs were in a chicken house area. She told me she kept her breeders up on the hill, yet I saw about 50 in that building. The pups were raised in little wooden boxes--not much chance for human stimulation.CharmyPoo,I personally don't understand how some people live off their dogs. I don't want to be mean but most that breed and not show have no other source of income. They basically live off their dogs. I don't know how they do it because I sure can't....my furkids take a chunk of my pay check. I know a breeder who her and her husband have no job. They have been breeding for over 20 years ... if they aren't in it for profit ... I don't know what they are in it for.
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I am just curious. Are you saying that no one should be making an income out of breeding or just not the people who don't show their dogs? Do most reputable breeders who show have outside jobs?
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[/QUOTE]Originally posted by okw@Apr 3 2005, 10:18 PM
CharmyPoo,
I am just curious. Are you saying that no one should be making an income out of breeding or just not the people who don't show their dogs? Do most reputable breeders who show have outside jobs?
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[/QUOTE]Originally posted by okw@Apr 4 2005, 11:34 AM
CharmyPoo,
Thanks for your response. I have trouble believing that very well known breeders who sell even their "pet quality" pups for $2-3,000 are breaking even or just making a little bit of money. I know that there are great breeders who only have limited, well planned litters so they must not be making all that much money at all, but I would be willing to bet that there are others (even the ones who show their dogs and are reputable) do end up making what must be a nice profit from their pups by perhaps breeding more frequently or some other means (sort of what Lucy Lou described). Of course, this is just my opinion based on observations and not on any facts.
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[/QUOTE]Originally posted by FannyMay@Apr 4 2005, 06:25 PM
Teaco,
Do you do genetic tests on your breeding male and female?
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