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I am so sorry you had this scare. I would definitely take him into the vet. Better safe than sorry.

I too was wondering if walking in the heat may be too much so soon after surgery?
 

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Hi everyone, Thank you for all you concerns, adivce and kind thoughts.

He threw up last night and I took him to the vet. Firstly to answer your questions: It wasn't very hot, the vet told me it would be fine to take him for a walk, but they may of been obviously wrong!

The news is not good. Eddie has a heart murmmer. We were aware of this and previously the vet had said it was fine and not to worrry for now. That he is in perfect health.
A lot of you mentioned epilepsy and I would be so upset if this turned out to be one of the problems as I have epilepsy myself, it is a scary and horrible to disease to have. I can't imagine how it would be for a dog as they wouldn't understand. So my heart goes out to all the pups out there that have it.

When I took him last night the vet siad she was extremly concerned with the heart murmmer as it shouldn't be that bad at his age. He is so small, he is under weight becuase of the murrmer. He also pants a lot quite heaverly because he isn't getting enough oxegon, because his little heart is to weak.

I can't stop crying, I am so worried and deverstated. He is a beautiful puppy with such a vibrante personalitly, he doesn't deserve this. She said I need to take him to a specialist and he needs to have an ultrasound. It is so expenseve, $400, not including the consultation fee. But I don't mind having to pay it, as I would do anything for him, it's just hard being a full time student with a casual job. But he's my baby. The vet said I need to get it done as he nay not have agood qualityl of life. I'm so scared and sad and I can't believe this is happening.


My boyfriend is furious at the vet as they have never told me about this before. They have never advised me or anything. All of sudden he goes from being fine to this! They have never done any blood work or anything. I am going to find a new vet, but i'm still going to go to the specialist. I just hope my prescious baby will be ok


Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to give all the details
 

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Oh I am so very sorry to hear this. There are some types of heart murmurs that do get better. A girl I work with had a puppy that outgrew the murmur. I think the key thing, here, is to have little Eddie evaluated by a cardiologist. The vet will probably want to do an EKG and Ultrasound. My heart goes out to you and Eddie and I hope for a good outcome.


http://www.animalhealthcare.ca/contents/co...78&cat=dogs

Many reasons cited for heart murmurs in pets
Heart murmurs can occur when the blood flow through the heart (called cardiac output) becomes excessively turbulent. It is usually because of some kind of leakage within the heart as a result of a problem such as faulty heart valves or a hole in the walls separating the chambers of the heart due to a birth defect.

Heart murmurs can occur in puppies or young dogs during their rapid growth phases. Puppies in the one to four month range require a high cardiac output during their period of rapid growth. This increased output is often enough to produce the velocity necessary to create turbulence, which results in a heart murmur. This is quite normal and is termed an innocent or functional murmur. Most puppies lose these murmurs in adulthood.

Other factors can cause murmurs. For example, a high fever or an anaemia may affect the viscosity or consistency of the blood enough to cause turbulent blood flow and a heart murmur. In short, anything that can increase the turbulence of blood flow through the heart chambers can produce a murmur.

The type of heart murmur, the cause and severity of it, as well as its effects on your dog are all factors that determine whether or not a diagnostic evaluation and treatment are required. Your veterinarian may take an electrocardiogram (to check out function), chest radiographs (to check out lungs and size of the heart), blood tests (to check for anaemia, heartworm, blood problems, etc.), and other tests such as ultrasonography (to check out the physical integrity of the heart, heart valves, and flow patterns of the blood).

Many dogs with heart murmurs lead normal, healthy lives for many years with no problems before requiring treatment. Some may require special diets (e.g. low salt diets) while still others can be maintained on medication. With the help of your veterinarian, the prognosis for heart problems improves when diagnosis and treatment are initiated early on in the course of the disease.
 

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OMG I am so sorry that you have to go thru this... I trully hope that the specialist can give you the answers you need, and hope that your little boy feels better soon. I mean, I know it is expensive, but look at it this way... If you wait, things could get worse, and it could end up costing you a lot more... Plus, he deserves the best treatment possible...all of our babies do. I recently took my Luci to get allergy tested, and someone advised me to start a bank account designated ONLY for Luci's vet bills. She told me to drop $20 here and there when I could, and the money adds up, and if my baby needs an allergist and more expensive testing, then it won't hit me as hard as it would if I had no money saved up.. Good luck, and I hope that everything turns out ok...
 

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Oh Claudia, I'm so sorry to hear this news. Do you know which specialist your vet is going to send you to? If you are looking for a new vet, would you consider Syd. Uni? I've taken Harley there twice, and Dakota had her spay there. They are wonderful! If you went there, it's quite possible they may have a specialist there, that way you might only have to visit once?

Syd Uni Vet Clinic

Good luck, let me know if I can help at all?
 

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Oh I am so very sorry to hear this. There are some types of heart murmurs that do get better. A girl I work with had a puppy that outgrew the murmur. I think the key thing, here, is to have little Eddie evaluated by a cardiologist. The vet will probably want to do an EKG and Ultrasound. My heart goes out to you and Eddie and I hope for a good outcome.


http://www.animalhealthcare.ca/contents/co...78&cat=dogs

Many reasons cited for heart murmurs in pets
Heart murmurs can occur when the blood flow through the heart (called cardiac output) becomes excessively turbulent. It is usually because of some kind of leakage within the heart as a result of a problem such as faulty heart valves or a hole in the walls separating the chambers of the heart due to a birth defect.

Heart murmurs can occur in puppies or young dogs during their rapid growth phases. Puppies in the one to four month range require a high cardiac output during their period of rapid growth. This increased output is often enough to produce the velocity necessary to create turbulence, which results in a heart murmur. This is quite normal and is termed an innocent or functional murmur. Most puppies lose these murmurs in adulthood.

Other factors can cause murmurs. For example, a high fever or an anaemia may affect the viscosity or consistency of the blood enough to cause turbulent blood flow and a heart murmur. In short, anything that can increase the turbulence of blood flow through the heart chambers can produce a murmur.

The type of heart murmur, the cause and severity of it, as well as its effects on your dog are all factors that determine whether or not a diagnostic evaluation and treatment are required. Your veterinarian may take an electrocardiogram (to check out function), chest radiographs (to check out lungs and size of the heart), blood tests (to check for anaemia, heartworm, blood problems, etc.), and other tests such as ultrasonography (to check out the physical integrity of the heart, heart valves, and flow patterns of the blood).

Many dogs with heart murmurs lead normal, healthy lives for many years with no problems before requiring treatment. Some may require special diets (e.g. low salt diets) while still others can be maintained on medication. With the help of your veterinarian, the prognosis for heart problems improves when diagnosis and treatment are initiated early on in the course of the disease.
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Thanks for all that info. My vet as done no tests at all. I've come to the conclusion that my vet is crap! I am going to find a new vet, thanks so much for your help I really appreciate it. I would be so lost without this forum!
 

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Best positive and loving thoughts to you and darling Eddie. Please keep us posted.
 

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I am so sorry, I think a new vet is a very good idea. I will keep your baby in my prayers. Please try to stay positive, do your own research and read everything you can you must be very active in his care going forward. Please keep us updated.

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I'm so very sorry to hear this. If PDA is the cause, then surgery will be required. I've been through this twice, the success rate is awesome, and they lead normal, healthy lives afterwords.

Until you see the specialist, I would try to keep him on the calmer side. Just take him out for short potty breaks.

Thoughts and prayers are with you. {{hugs}}

Here's a link on PDA:

http://www.maybeckvet.com/patentductusarteriosis.html
 

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Oh Claudia, I'm so sorry to hear this news. Do you know which specialist your vet is going to send you to? If you are looking for a new vet, would you consider Syd. Uni? I've taken Harley there twice, and Dakota had her spay there. They are wonderful! If you went there, it's quite possible they may have a specialist there, that way you might only have to visit once?

Syd Uni Vet Clinic

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The speciaist my vet told me to see is at syd uni. I'm glad to hear you rhink highly of them too. You've been right about everything. Thank you so much.
 

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Poor little guy
Hopefully it will all work out--good luck with seeing a specialist/new vet. Thank goodness for all the advice and recommendations on this forum! Best of luck
 

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I'm so sorry to hear this.
Going to another vet sounds like a good idea. I hope things work out well for you.
Aren't the people on this forum great?
 

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The speciaist my vet told me to see is at syd uni. I'm glad to hear you rhink highly of them too. You've been right about everything. Thank you so much.
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Oh that's great! Do you have an appointment yet? Just keep in mind if it's early in the morning, Parramatta Rd is a total CAR PARK in peak traffic! What should take me 20 minutes has taken me over an hour (plus Dakota gets car sick - not good!)

I know it's not exactly close to you, so hopefully Eddie will enjoy his trip in the car!
 

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The speciaist my vet told me to see is at syd uni. I'm glad to hear you rhink highly of them too. You've been right about everything. Thank you so much.
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Oh that's great! Do you have an appointment yet? Just keep in mind if it's early in the morning, Parramatta Rd is a total CAR PARK in peak traffic! What should take me 20 minutes has taken me over an hour (plus Dakota gets car sick - not good!)

I know it's not exactly close to you, so hopefully Eddie will enjoy his trip in the car!
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Eddie absolutly loves the car! Its one of his fav things. I don't have an appointmet yet because I thought i should check with a new vet first. Maybe I should just make an appointment. Is it hard to get in fast?
 

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I am very sorry that Eddie is having some health issues. I haven't read all the posts - but it certainly sounded like a seizure of some type - My cocker had one 4 yrs ago and it was heart breaking - she was just walking across the floor and collapsed, then got up again and shook it off - hasn't had another one. (i did take her to the vet freaking out on Thanksgiving day).

My mini. Schz. had a heart murmur from birth - and she lived to a ripe age of 16.5 yrs. w/it - it stayed pretty much the same size all of her life.

I hope you get to the bottom of this soon. An ultrasound is expensive - but it will certainly give you peace of mind.

you and eddie are in my thoughts and prayers.
 

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The speciaist my vet told me to see is at syd uni. I'm glad to hear you rhink highly of them too. You've been right about everything. Thank you so much.
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Oh that's great! Do you have an appointment yet? Just keep in mind if it's early in the morning, Parramatta Rd is a total CAR PARK in peak traffic! What should take me 20 minutes has taken me over an hour (plus Dakota gets car sick - not good!)

I know it's not exactly close to you, so hopefully Eddie will enjoy his trip in the car!
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Eddie absolutly loves the car! Its one of his fav things. I don't have an appointmet yet because I thought i should check with a new vet first. Maybe I should just make an appointment. Is it hard to get in fast?
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An appointment with a specialist is not much more than a vet. I think I would go directly to the specialist.
 
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