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Well yesterday I though I found a good dog food for Chelsey. Right now she is on Royal cain. She loves it. Only thing I found out it has beats in it. So I think that is what is causing the tear stains. I really don't want to change it as we like having chester and chelsey on one food just make it easier for feeding time. Will also keep chester from getting an upset stomack if he gets in her food. He has a sensitive tummy.

Well I found a food that has no corn, yippy,
no artifical stuff. Every thing that SM members suggested.
Then the dumb thing said bluebarries.
Why do they have to add a natural food that causes staining. beats , blueberries my gosh.

Does anyone have any good suggestions. I deffinelty want to stay away from the corn if possible.

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Peanut also has a sensitive stomach and I wanted to keep the boys eating the same dog food to prevent Peanut from eating the puppy food, so I tried Artemis Small breed. The boys love it and there are no more upset tummies around here




Chicken, Turkey, Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Lamb Meal, Brown Rice, Pearled Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Vitamin E, C and Rosemary Extract), Oatmeal, Dried Eggs, Fish Meal, Natural Flavoring, Canola Oil, Flaxseed, Fresh Potatoes, Fresh Carrots, Fresh Peas, Whole Fresh Apples, Cranberries, Dried Chicory Root (Prebiotics), Salt, Potassium Chloride, Lecithin, Gar
lic, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, Chelates of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Sage Extract, Aspergillus Oryzae Fermantation Soulubles (Digestive Enzyme), Enterococcus Faecium and Lactobacillus Acidophilus(Probiotics)

I tried to cut and paste the guaranteed analysis but it didn't come out right, there's a link to the ingredients on the bottom of the webpage.

Artemis Small breed
 

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I wouldn't think that your food would have enough beets or blueberries to make a difference but if you're uncomfortable with it you may want to try Newman's Own Organics. I like it because it uses organic ingredients and hormone and anti-biotic free chicken. K & C are berserk over it. I use it for treats and they jump for joy when I bring it out. Both K & C have firm stools every single day.

It is rather pricey at $8.99 (& more at some stores) for a 5-pound bag. Newman's Own Organics Web Site

Newman's Own Organics Adult Food - Chicken & Rice:

Chicken, Organic Barley, Organic Rice, Organic Milo, Organic Oats, Organic Ground Flax Seed, Chicken Meal, Organic Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (Naturally Stabilized with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary), Organic Carrots, Organic Potatoes, Calcium Phosphate, Sea Salt, Potassium Chloride, Kelp, Parsley, Dehydrated Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Bifidobacterium Thermophilum Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Bifidobacterium Longum Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (Source of Chelated Zinc), Choline Chloride, Iron Amino Acid Complex (Source of Chelated Iron), Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex (Source of Chelated Manganese), Copper Amino Acid Complex (Source of Chelated Copper), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Ascorbate, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Cobalt Proteinate (Source of Chelated Cobalt), Potassium Iodide, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Sodium Selenite.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:

Crude Protein................21.0% (min)
Crude Fat......................12.0% (min)
Crude Fiber.....................4.5% (max)
Moisture........................10.0% (max)
 

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wow , they both sound great and both have rosemary that is think is really good for coat. I think I will head to the pet suppy store and check them out.
 

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i feed lucy the royal canin yorkie (thanks to meee, haha i just bought a 3 pound bag cuz my little one likes it~!) and she's never had staining issues.. not to sound derogatory, but maybe your dog is just prone to staining?
 

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Originally posted by puppylucy@May 29 2005, 08:41 PM
i feed lucy the royal canin yorkie (thanks to meee, haha i just bought a 3 pound bag cuz my little one likes it~!) and she's never had staining issues.. not to sound derogatory, but maybe your dog is just prone to staining?
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No, glad you mentioned it. I'm assuming it the food as chester also has some tearing but you will not notice it, as he is a yorkie red/brown face.
Chelsey never had any major tearing until she was spayed and had her tear ducts flushed. Now at that time I also switched her food completely over from purina...
She had a little tear stains when teething. Before teething noting at all. Something has trigered it . I'm trying my best to determin what it is. I mean right after the surgery . Her stains were just alfull... all down her face. If she was prone to it I think it would have been way woste when she was teething.. or even before. Anyway if it does not go away with the food change, back to the the vet for them to recommend an eye specialist that JMM mentioned. I think there is an underline issue, maybe I should not has flush her tear ducts. who knows.
In addition , royal cain has a lot of corn ... I want to get her away from the corn. She poops alot. We already had issues with her pooping in her crate. Anything to help elinate that issue all together I'm for it.
Oh the reason i think it is the food is someone here also was warning me when I was thinking of changing her food that the royal cain gave thier puppy bad tear stains.
I don't rember who it was .

How long have you been using the yorkie food? chelsey has been on it for 3 months now.
How old is lucy?
 

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Originally posted by puppylucy@May 29 2005, 05:41 PM
i feed lucy the royal canin yorkie (thanks to meee, haha i just bought a 3 pound bag cuz my little one likes it~!) and she's never had staining issues.. not to sound derogatory, but maybe your dog is just prone to staining?
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I would say based on personal experience that some foods definitely caused staining in my dog who normally does not have any tear staining. So, since there are different great dog foods on the market, why not try them to see if there is a difference?
 

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Originally posted by Chelsey@May 29 2005, 08:08 PM
How long have you been using the yorkie food?  chelsey has been on it for 3 months now.
How old is lucy?
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your whole post was long, so i didn't quote it all, but i understand now
everyone's baby is different~!! i hope you find a different food that works better


umm lucys been on it for a month maybe?? she's almost 8 months. \

good luck. hope lucy doesn't stain now
 

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Originally posted by puppylucy+May 29 2005, 09:27 PM-->
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How long have you been using the yorkie food?  chelsey has been on it for 3 months now.
How old is lucy?
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your whole post was long, so i didn't quote it all, but i understand now
everyone's baby is different~!! i hope you find a different food that works better


umm lucys been on it for a month maybe?? she's almost 8 months. \

good luck. hope lucy doesn't stain now

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I hope she doesn't too, but if it happens at least you know what it was.
If she is still on it for 5 months no stains please let me know. I would still like to know what is really going on with our puppy.
 

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We went to the pet supply store today. I wrote down both names of the food recommented. They don't carry it in Ren's. So they sent us home with Wellness samples. I mixed a little in with chelseys food . she hates it. she picked out all the royal cain.. and left the well ness be hind. It must taste really bad. Chelsey is like mikey she eats anything.
I guess I will ask my husband to stop in petsmart to see if they have them. If not we are out of luck
 

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Originally posted by Chelsey@May 29 2005, 11:19 PM
I guess I will ask my husband to stop in petsmart to see if they have them.  If not we are out of luck
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Petsmart doesn't carry the Artemis brand (or at least they didn't the last time I checked)
. The only place I can find it is at a little family owned pet supply shop. When I was searching online for stores that carry it I actually found some on ebay. I never bought food on ebay before, but just letting you know
 

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Originally posted by Chelsey@May 29 2005, 11:19 PM
We went to the pet supply store today.  I wrote down both names of the food recommented.  They don't carry it in Ren's.  So they sent us home with Wellness samples.  I mixed a little in with chelseys food .  she hates it.  she picked out all the royal cain.. and left the well ness be hind.  It must taste really bad.  Chelsey is like mikey she eats anything. 
I guess I will ask my husband to stop in petsmart to see if they have them.  If not we are out of luck
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PETsMART doesn't carry them. Newman's is usually at regular health food grocery stores such as Earth Fare in the dog food dept. Artemis is usually at specialty or boutique dog food/supplies stores. You can probably order either one via the Internet though.... Another really good food is Innova... maybe the store you went to has it. Here are the ingredients:

INGREDIENTS - Innova Adult Kibble:
Turkey, chicken, chicken meal, barley, brown rice, potatoes, rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), herring, apples, carrots, cottage cheese, sunflower oil, dl-calcium, phosphate, alfalfa sprouts, eggs, garlic, di-alpha tocopherol, freeze dried streptococcus faecium fermentation product, freeze dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, freeze dries lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, potassium chloride, choline chloride, calcium carbonate, zinc proteninate, iron protenate, beta carotene, niacin, calcium pantothenate, copper proteinate, manganous proteinate, thiamine mononitrate, pryidoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, folic acid, calcium iodate, biotin

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protien (min): 24%
Crude Fat (min): 14%
Crude Fiber (max): 3%
Moisture (max): 10%
Vitamin E (min): 300IU/kg
Vitamin C (min): 500 mg/kg
*Linoleic Fatty Acids (Omegs 6) (min): 4.25%
*Fatty Acids (Omega 3) (min): 0.60%
*Total microorganisms (min) 900,000,000 CFU/lb
*(Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophillus, Lactobacillus plantarum in equal amounts)
Calories: 4,168 kcal/kg
Calories: 557 kcal/cup
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutruent Profiles
 

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I like the fact that your babies go crazy over newmans . I will hunt some more for it . Then I will think about the Innova Adult Kibble if I can't find it.

Gee you guys have all the good stuff in the u.s.

Thanks for your help.
 

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Originally posted by Chelsey@May 29 2005, 11:33 PM
I like the fact that your babies go crazy over newmans .  I will hunt some more for it .  Then I will think about the Innova Adult Kibble if I can't find it.

Gee you guys have all the good stuff in the u.s.

Thanks for your help. 

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Chelsey, I didn't realize you weren't in the U.S. What country do you live in, if you don't mind my asking.
 

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Originally posted by Kallie/Catcher's Mom+May 29 2005, 11:41 PM-->
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I like the fact that your babies go crazy over newmans .  I will hunt some more for it .  Then I will think about the Innova Adult Kibble if I can't find it.

Gee you guys have all the good stuff in the u.s.

Thanks for your help. 

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Chelsey, I didn't realize you weren't in the U.S. What country do you live in, if you don't mind my asking.
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Canada , Ontario
 

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Originally posted by Gizmosmom@May 30 2005, 12:12 PM
Chelsey have you taken a look at Ryans Pet foods on Mavis?  They sell all types of different holistic foods.  Check out the different ingredients and find one you feel good about.
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That's one store I have not found yet. Can you provide with the address.

By the way were have you been,. Have not seen you on line for a while
You can pm me
 
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I was going to ask for suggestions for a good food....but now I don't have too, thanks. This web site makes it easy to raise my Malt babies. My "old" dog is a Bichon with allergies, I feed her an all natural food called Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul. She loves it - she's 13 and has never been fussy about food, but my Malts don't care for it. Taste seems to be pretty important to these little guys. Right now they're eating Royal Cain (dry food) and Science Diet canned - but they don't seem crazy about it, so I try to put alittle cheese or something on it to get them started.
 
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