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I can't find my copy of the book. We didn't use any physical punishment but I can't honestly remember if that was in there or not. What I recall that we did was a lot of bonding stuff with Jolie to make her part of our pack, but to insure that she knew that she was lower in the pack than the rest of us. I wish I could find the copy.
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I have the appointment on Monday with the trainer so I'll post and let you know what she says and does.
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I'll be glad to look up anything for you... just let me know. The alpha roll and alpha shake aren't physical punishment... I would never ever do that... the alpha roll is where you roll them on their back and look them in the eye and the alpha shake is where you pick them up under the front paws and bring them to eye level and look them in the eye... in both cases the dog is supposed to turn away from you first, showing that you are alpha. It never worked for me and something about it just didn't feel "right."
you might want to try this its incredible !! I have been having problems with maxi biting me and acting up when i put on his leash and coat he was running back and forth like a crazy boy when i went to put on his leash he would jump up and down on the couch off the couch biting me so on so forth well let me say this
i think my maxi is brilliant lol all it took was shaking a can of coins twice and ever since sunday all i have to say to him is im going to get the "COINS" he does what i want. when i went over my moms the other day i showed her when he started to run around like a luny bird she couldnt believe it so now when he starts to get out of hand i say " OK IM GETTING THE COINS" and he behaves its unbleievable
he knows where i have them and he will try and jump up to see if the can is there
im shocked because i was about to take him to this behavior specialist that grooms at my vet and so far so good
he has been wonderful that it shocked the Cr*p out of me shows me how smart he is and that he does this on purpose
anyway ill keep you posted
i think my maxi is brilliant lol all it took was shaking a can of coins twice and ever since sunday all i have to say to him is im going to get the "COINS" he does what i want. when i went over my moms the other day i showed her when he started to run around like a luny bird she couldnt believe it so now when he starts to get out of hand i say " OK IM GETTING THE COINS" and he behaves its unbleievable
he knows where i have them and he will try and jump up to see if the can is there
im shocked because i was about to take him to this behavior specialist that grooms at my vet and so far so good
he has been wonderful that it shocked the Cr*p out of me shows me how smart he is and that he does this on purpose
anyway ill keep you posted
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The alpha roll is not effective and the wolf researcher who originally published on it found that his initial observation was wrong. I have seen video of a trainer who does it to a Dobie. The dog submits the first few times and then bites him in the face.
The alpha never has to use physical force to assert his or herself. Submissive dogs actually roll over on their own in the presense of the alpha. The physical stuff is what you see from the lower dogs who are trying to assert themselves in the middle of the pack when they are insecure about their position.
The BEST ever book for a new puppy owner is Jean Donaldson's The Culture Clash. It has a nice, simple explanation of learning theory and explains lots of misconceptions about training dogs. She also has step by step for training basic behaviors.
Relationship building changes like Nothing in Life is Free will give you better results and make life a lot more pleasant.
The alpha never has to use physical force to assert his or herself. Submissive dogs actually roll over on their own in the presense of the alpha. The physical stuff is what you see from the lower dogs who are trying to assert themselves in the middle of the pack when they are insecure about their position.
The BEST ever book for a new puppy owner is Jean Donaldson's The Culture Clash. It has a nice, simple explanation of learning theory and explains lots of misconceptions about training dogs. She also has step by step for training basic behaviors.
Relationship building changes like Nothing in Life is Free will give you better results and make life a lot more pleasant.
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JMM, Thanks for the tip on the book. I shall look for it right away.
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How did the training go?????
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She was great. She gave me so many tips on the potty training as well as how to handle Bella when she gets out of control and barks at anything. She also mentioned that if I didn't have the $ for private lessons that she does a group obidence class at the "Dog Bar" (it's a little doggie boutique) and they charge $159 for 6 weeks (once a week class) so I signed up. She was really good so I figured Bella would get something out of the classes.
I started doing all the things the trainer said to do and so far she's doing better. She's listening to me more than before. She told me not to repeat myself to her to just tell her something and stare at her until she does it and it works. So now I'm not yelling, sit Bella, sit Bella, I SAID SIT BELLA. I just tell her Bella sit and stare and she does it 90% of the times. When she doesn't do it and I'm sitting then I stand up and she'll do it. I'll keep you guys posted.
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Good for Bella! And good for you for tackling her behaviorial issues early on rather than waiting until they turn into big problems.
Obedience is fun, too, isn't it? It's such a positive bonding experience for both of you. Most dogs really do want to please us and sometimes we just have to learn to help them learn acceptable behevior.
I'm glad you found a less expensive group class, too. Keep us posted on Bella's progress.
Obedience is fun, too, isn't it? It's such a positive bonding experience for both of you. Most dogs really do want to please us and sometimes we just have to learn to help them learn acceptable behevior.
I'm glad you found a less expensive group class, too. Keep us posted on Bella's progress.
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Good for you! I think that I'll look into a trainer in my area, too. Please update us about your progress.
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[/QUOTE]Originally posted by tlunn@Jan 11 2005, 02:49 PM
How do you find agility classes/trainers? I would like to put Brink in some agility classes. That would be fun!!!!![]()
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Sorry I didn't answer this earlier--I've been really busy at work.
I asked around - I have a few colleagues who are breeders and they know all the dog affiliated groups in the area. Although there is a dedicated canine recreational facility in the town I live in, I drive about 25 miles to attend the Kennel Club trainings in a nearby town. They have a really nice facility, are friendly and informal, and the classes are really fun. Plus, the trainer has small breed experience and is wonderful with Sylphide. Sylphide loves agility, and took to the obstacles like a duck to water. It was funny to see her all confident and tiny as a puppy, gleefully tacking the dog walk, A frame, and other obstacles that terrified the big dogs. The other tiny dog, a griffon mix, was very good, and she and he were "buddies". although Sylphide was also good friends with all the big dogs, including the huge German Shepherd who kept attacking the labradors.
Agility does wonders for their confidence and social skills. But most of all, it's so much fun!
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Sorry I didn't answer this earlier--I've been really busy at work.Originally posted by SylphidesMom+Jan 19 2005, 10:12 PM-->@Jan 11 2005, 02:49 PM
How do you find agility classes/trainers? I would like to put Brink in some agility classes. That would be fun!!!!![]()
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I asked around - I have a few colleagues who are breeders and they know all the dog affiliated groups in the area. Although there is a dedicated canine recreational facility in the town I live in, I drive about 25 miles to attend the Kennel Club trainings in a nearby town. They have a really nice facility, are friendly and informal, and the classes are really fun. Plus, the trainer has small breed experience and is wonderful with Sylphide. Sylphide loves agility, and took to the obstacles like a duck to water. It was funny to see her all confident and tiny as a puppy, gleefully tacking the dog walk, A frame, and other obstacles that terrified the big dogs. The other tiny dog, a griffon mix, was very good, and she and he were "buddies". although Sylphide was also good friends with all the big dogs, including the huge German Shepherd who kept attacking the labradors.
Agility does wonders for their confidence and social skills. But most of all, it's so much fun!
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I am quite sure we probably don't have anything like that around my po-dunk area
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And I have to drive an hour away from the city for an agility class! We need to trade LOLHow do you find agility classes/trainers? I would like to put Brink in some agility classes. That would be fun!!!!![]()
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I am quite sure we probably don't have anything like that around my po-dunk area. One of the downsides of living in the rural areas...I would probably have to look in the bigger cities like Nashville and Memphis that are 2+ hours away. -_- Thanks for the info though!![]()
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Oh, reading about how little Bella progressed so quickly with her training is wonderful!
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I was going to start a training class, but all of the other dogs were much bigger than Tavish, so we opted for in house private training. I researched many different styles of training, and felt that operant conditioning was the most suitable for Tavish, but it took a little while to find a trainer I felt was right. I started his training at about 4.5 months of age.
I definitely agree with JMM... she said, "The best methods are positive motivational ones."
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These two books were very helpful:
1) Don't Shoot the Dog; Karen Pryor
2) The Other End of the Leash; Patricia McConnell
While Tavish is not incredibly food motivated, the training was a smashing success. Our "coach" taught me the necessary skills to train Tavish, and I use them everyday. She is also available to call any time we need help, and stopped in the other day to visit. (I think she fell in love with Tav and misses him
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Good luck with the group training class... I wish we could have done that as Tavish doesn't really get to spend too much time with other dogs, and that would have been a wonderful opportunity for him to socialize more.
I definitely agree with JMM... she said, "The best methods are positive motivational ones."
These two books were very helpful:
1) Don't Shoot the Dog; Karen Pryor
2) The Other End of the Leash; Patricia McConnell
While Tavish is not incredibly food motivated, the training was a smashing success. Our "coach" taught me the necessary skills to train Tavish, and I use them everyday. She is also available to call any time we need help, and stopped in the other day to visit. (I think she fell in love with Tav and misses him
Good luck with the group training class... I wish we could have done that as Tavish doesn't really get to spend too much time with other dogs, and that would have been a wonderful opportunity for him to socialize more.
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An excellent book that I recommend is The Dog Listener by Jan Fennell, it lets you understand your dog and how to teach it while always using positive things only. It is definately a worthwhile book and her methods work
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Glad to hear Tavish is doing so well. Bella's class had big dogs and little dogs and actually the German Shepperd kinda likes Bella. It's too funny!
I couldn't afford the private classes as the trainer was asking $575 (Something like that) but these are working for me and I was able to afford them!
I couldn't afford the private classes as the trainer was asking $575 (Something like that) but these are working for me and I was able to afford them!
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