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Lexi used to do that when she was a puppy when I removed her harness. She didn't like it when I had to take it over her head. I got a different harness and she was fine.

Not sure what advice to give you but this is not a behavior you want to let go on. I would recommend talking to a trainer. They can maybe view when the behavior happens and tell you what is going wrong.
 

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Originally posted by TuckersMom@Jul 25 2005, 02:39 PM
My dog has done this to me when I try to take something out of his mouth, he also bit me a couple of times while taking something from his mouth.  Hubby told me to spank him and don't ever let him get away with snarling at me and biting, even the lady I got him from said the same thing, but I don't like to spank such a small dog, although I did after he did it a couple of times.  He really is usually such a sweet dog, but when he gets something he shouldn't have in his mouth, he just doesn't want to let go.  He doesn't do it to my husband though.  I think he knows mom is just a big softie and daddy isn't, LOL.
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You need to teach him that those are not his toys, they are actually yours. I would suggest trying the Nothing In Life Is Free Program. You don't have to do all of the things they suggest. If you are having problems with just toys and not food then just try the part about toys.
 

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Originally posted by TuckersMom+Jul 25 2005, 03:00 PM-->
Originally posted by Lexi's [email protected] 25 2005, 02:51 PM
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My dog has done this to me when I try to take something out of his mouth, he also bit me a couple of times while taking something from his mouth.  Hubby told me to spank him and don't ever let him get away with snarling at me and biting, even the lady I got him from said the same thing, but I don't like to spank such a small dog, although I did after he did it a couple of times.  He really is usually such a sweet dog, but when he gets something he shouldn't have in his mouth, he just doesn't want to let go.  He doesn't do it to my husband though.  I think he knows mom is just a big softie and daddy isn't, LOL.
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You need to teach him that those are not his toys, they are actually yours. I would suggest trying the Nothing In Life Is Free Program. You don't have to do all of the things they suggest. If you are having problems with just toys and not food then just try the part about toys.
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Actually, the things he had in his mouth were things he found in the yard, like pine cones and even worse, some bones from a dead animal that had been drug into our yard, agghhh!!! We don't have a fence, and almost all the neighborhood dogs run loose, and really seem to like our yard to bring their disgusting things. They even do their business in our yard, and of course Tucker likes to eat that too. YUCK!!! If I see it before he does, then I keep him away from it, but sometimes he finds it before I do. He doesn't eat his own poop though. Sometimes I wish he would eat his and not the other animals, because atleast I know he doesn't have any diseases or worms. Who knows what these other animals have. Sorry, kinda went off a completely different subject there.
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Have you taught him the drop it command?
 

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Originally posted by Kallie/Catcher's Mom+Jul 26 2005, 06:19 AM-->
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I think jackie's advice is great.  aside from being the "alpha dog" part.  I learned that kenji was very VERY aggressive.  He was neutered after being a year old, and being the male of him and I.  We live in an apartment and he hadn't been socialized very much so he has the need to protect me from mostly everyone he doesn't familiarize himself with or feel "safe" around.  I read a lot of books about punishment... I don't hit my dog.  I use the old traiditional way of other alpha dogs in a pack.  The alpha dog does not "hit" like a human.  Instead, they pounce on them and put them on their back.  For you, just pick up your dog as soon as you see something he is doing as disobedience, and lay him on his back putting very little pressure (like friendly patting but constant pressure) with one hand on his neck and chest... the other hand is creadling his neck and back during the flip.  The alpha dog in every pack will "pin" the other dog down to teach him who's boss.  they bite the neck and put them on their belly. Instead... gently pick up your pooch immediately after the deed,put him on his back gently and say "no".  your hands should be placed GENTLY on their chest and neck (your hand an "L" figure with thumb outstanding) to put soft pressure on their chest when laid on their back. The trick is to pick them up and flip them on their back GENTLY.  Your other hand is cradling their head and neck so you don't bump their head... you need to do this on a soft surface anyway.  I'm used to it so i flip him over wherever he is bad.  You just gotta get the feel of flipping him over.  Practice on the bed if he ever starts biting.  The "turtle" position is submissive and they will usually stop barking or assume your position as alpha in command.
Love lei
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What you are describing is the "alpha roll" and it indeed is an "old traditional" method but it is now out of favor and has been proven to not be good to do. I didn't know any better with my first Malt in 1990 and I used it and had terrible results. Here are some up-to-date articles about this practice:

http://dogs.about.com/cs/basictraining/a/alpha_roll.htm

The Alpha Roll, once hailed as the premier way to prove to your dog who's "Alpha" (Boss) in the family, has been replaced by a gentler, more successful way of training. Now the Alpha Roll, besides being obsolete, has proven to be detrimental to the health and mental well-being of your dog, as well as downright dangerous to the "Roller".

What is an Alpha Roll?

An Alpha Roll is the act of flipping your dog onto his back, and holding his throat. Supposedly this will teach him that YOU are Alpha, and he will respect you for this.
Wrong.

Why The Apha Roll Is Dangerous

Dog Park member Violetcows said it best:

"The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill the animal. By forcing an animal to submit in that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them. It is not surprising that a lot of people get bit trying to do the alpha roll - the dog believes that the human is trying to kill them so they try and defend themselves. Doing this behavior to an already dominant animal can increase the likelihood of aggression. Doing this to an already submissive animal will increase the fear in that animal - leading to submissive urination and possible fear biting. Hands should never, ever be used to hurt an animal - an alpha roll does just that and its efficacy at asserting dominance is next to zero."


http://doityourself.com/pets/whosboss.htm

tp://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.p...S=1&SourceID=60

http://bullmastiffinfo.tripod.com/alpha.htm
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My trainer said the same thing. When Lexi started growling at me back in Jan I did this. When I told my trainer he said that was the wrong thing to do. He had me do positive reinforcement and the NILIF program.
 

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Originally posted by babybinks22+Aug 1 2005, 04:32 AM-->
Originally posted by Lexi's [email protected] 26 2005, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Kallie/Catcher's [email protected] 26 2005, 06:19 AM
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I think jackie's advice is great.  aside from being the "alpha dog" part.  I learned that kenji was very VERY aggressive.  He was neutered after being a year old, and being the male of him and I.  We live in an apartment and he hadn't been socialized very much so he has the need to protect me from mostly everyone he doesn't familiarize himself with or feel "safe" around.  I read a lot of books about punishment... I don't hit my dog.  I use the old traiditional way of other alpha dogs in a pack.  The alpha dog does not "hit" like a human.  Instead, they pounce on them and put them on their back.  For you, just pick up your dog as soon as you see something he is doing as disobedience, and lay him on his back putting very little pressure (like friendly patting but constant pressure) with one hand on his neck and chest... the other hand is creadling his neck and back during the flip.  The alpha dog in every pack will "pin" the other dog down to teach him who's boss.  they bite the neck and put them on their belly. Instead... gently pick up your pooch immediately after the deed,put him on his back gently and say "no".  your hands should be placed GENTLY on their chest and neck (your hand an "L" figure with thumb outstanding) to put soft pressure on their chest when laid on their back. The trick is to pick them up and flip them on their back GENTLY.  Your other hand is cradling their head and neck so you don't bump their head... you need to do this on a soft surface anyway.  I'm used to it so i flip him over wherever he is bad.  You just gotta get the feel of flipping him over.  Practice on the bed if he ever starts biting.  The "turtle" position is submissive and they will usually stop barking or assume your position as alpha in command.
Love lei
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What you are describing is the "alpha roll" and it indeed is an "old traditional" method but it is now out of favor and has been proven to not be good to do. I didn't know any better with my first Malt in 1990 and I used it and had terrible results. Here are some up-to-date articles about this practice:

http://dogs.about.com/cs/basictraining/a/alpha_roll.htm

The Alpha Roll, once hailed as the premier way to prove to your dog who's "Alpha" (Boss) in the family, has been replaced by a gentler, more successful way of training. Now the Alpha Roll, besides being obsolete, has proven to be detrimental to the health and mental well-being of your dog, as well as downright dangerous to the "Roller".

What is an Alpha Roll?

An Alpha Roll is the act of flipping your dog onto his back, and holding his throat. Supposedly this will teach him that YOU are Alpha, and he will respect you for this.
Wrong.

Why The Apha Roll Is Dangerous

Dog Park member Violetcows said it best:

"The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill the animal. By forcing an animal to submit in that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them. It is not surprising that a lot of people get bit trying to do the alpha roll - the dog believes that the human is trying to kill them so they try and defend themselves. Doing this behavior to an already dominant animal can increase the likelihood of aggression. Doing this to an already submissive animal will increase the fear in that animal - leading to submissive urination and possible fear biting. Hands should never, ever be used to hurt an animal - an alpha roll does just that and its efficacy at asserting dominance is next to zero."


http://doityourself.com/pets/whosboss.htm

tp://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.p...S=1&SourceID=60

http://bullmastiffinfo.tripod.com/alpha.htm
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My trainer said the same thing. When Lexi started growling at me back in Jan I did this. When I told my trainer he said that was the wrong thing to do. He had me do positive reinforcement and the NILIF program.
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Lexi.. your pic is too cute!!!!

How can I see more pics of you? I'm looking to get a hair cut but mama is still debating... long??? or short. she's driving me crazy with the "in-between" cut! I'm getting used to the ponytail in the middle of my forehead though.

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You should be able to get onto my site today. I went over my bandwidth last month so all of my pics showed up with the image "over 4GB" or something. But it is working now. Click on the link in my sig.
 
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