Originally posted by Kallie/Catcher's Mom+Jul 26 2005, 06:19 AM-->
@Jul 26 2005, 12:24 AM
I think jackie's advice is great. aside from being the "alpha dog" part. I learned that kenji was very VERY aggressive. He was neutered after being a year old, and being the male of him and I. We live in an apartment and he hadn't been socialized very much so he has the need to protect me from mostly everyone he doesn't familiarize himself with or feel "safe" around. I read a lot of books about punishment... I don't hit my dog. I use the old traiditional way of other alpha dogs in a pack. The alpha dog does not "hit" like a human. Instead, they pounce on them and put them on their back. For you, just pick up your dog as soon as you see something he is doing as disobedience, and lay him on his back putting very little pressure (like friendly patting but constant pressure) with one hand on his neck and chest... the other hand is creadling his neck and back during the flip. The alpha dog in every pack will "pin" the other dog down to teach him who's boss. they bite the neck and put them on their belly. Instead... gently pick up your pooch immediately after the deed,put him on his back gently and say "no". your hands should be placed GENTLY on their chest and neck (your hand an "L" figure with thumb outstanding) to put soft pressure on their chest when laid on their back. The trick is to pick them up and flip them on their back GENTLY. Your other hand is cradling their head and neck so you don't bump their head... you need to do this on a soft surface anyway. I'm used to it so i flip him over wherever he is bad. You just gotta get the feel of flipping him over. Practice on the bed if he ever starts biting. The "turtle" position is submissive and they will usually stop barking or assume your position as alpha in command.
What you are describing is the "alpha roll" and it indeed is an "old traditional" method but it is now out of favor and has been proven to not be good to do. I didn't know any better with my first Malt in 1990 and I used it and had terrible results. Here are some up-to-date articles about this practice:
The Alpha Roll
, once hailed as the premier way to prove to your dog who's "Alpha" (Boss) in the family, has been replaced by a gentler, more successful way of training. Now the Alpha Roll, besides being obsolete, has proven to be detrimental to the health and mental well-being of your dog, as well as downright dangerous to the "Roller".
What is an Alpha Roll?
An Alpha Roll is the act of flipping your dog onto his back, and holding his throat. Supposedly this will teach him that YOU are Alpha, and he will respect you for this.
Why The Apha Roll Is Dangerous
Dog Park member Violetcows said it best:
"The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill the animal. By forcing an animal to submit in that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them. It is not surprising that a lot of people get bit trying to do the alpha roll - the dog believes that the human is trying to kill them so they try and defend themselves. Doing this behavior to an already dominant animal can increase the likelihood of aggression. Doing this to an already submissive animal will increase the fear in that animal - leading to submissive urination and possible fear biting. Hands should never, ever be used to hurt an animal - an alpha roll does just that and its efficacy at asserting dominance is next to zero."
My trainer said the same thing. When Lexi started growling at me back in Jan I did this. When I told my trainer he said that was the wrong thing to do. He had me do positive reinforcement and the NILIF program.