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Hi everyone!

I haven't been on here in a long time and I need some advice.

I still have my female IzzyB, and in November we got a male named Max that was around 9 months old. My hubby found him for sale in a local sale paper. The family that had him bought him from a lady that purchased him from the breeder. The family had a 2 year, and things were not going well with the child and Max, so they decided to get rid of him.
I was on the fence about getting another dog, but when I thought about the fact that we would be his 3rd family I knew I had to get him and give him a good home. Well, he is as cute as can be and at first he barked a whole lot but the barking is getting better.
Here's the thing, I went out of town for 9 days at the end of March and while I was gone Izzy and Max got together and decided they wanted to have some pups! So Izzy is about 2 weeks away from delivering her pups.
She has been checked by the vet and had some xrays. The xray show that there are at least 5 maybe six pups.

I need some advice on how to prepare for their arrival and what to do when they start to come.

Thanks!
 

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geeezzz, why didn't you had them neutered and spayed ? or at least have the boy neutered before putting him together with your unspayed female ? I can't give you advice I am not a breeder. I just hope everything goes well for your female. How big is Izzy ? With 5 or 6 pups if she is on the small side she might need a C section. Keep your vet's phone number handy.
 

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"Izzy and Max got together and decided they wanted to have some pups!"

Izzy and Max did not decide this. You made the decision for them when you left them (unaltered) together.

In the past you've posted how much you've learned from this forum.
Exactly what did you learn? How to put in a top-knot?

Do you know of a breeder near by who would offer some assistance?

Izzy is almost 5-years-old, and this is her first litter. She's not a pro at it
herself. I pray she's in good health to deliver six pups.

Have you had Max neutered yet?
 

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As you can see many of us aren't joyful when it comes to pets being bred. I'm sorry this happened to your little Izzy. I hope you spay and neuter after the pups.
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.

If all the tongue lashings are done, I hope you all feel much better.

3Maltmom...Why the sarcasm? And no, I don't do top knots, thank you!!!
And to put your mind at ease, she is in good health!

Just so all you that are so mad know. I spoke to my vet at great length about this, and I am prepared to do what I have to for Izzy and the pups.

Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.

If all the tongue lashings are done, I hope you all feel much better.

3Maltmom...Why the sarcasm? And no, I don't do top knots, thank you!!!
And to put your mind at ease, she is in good health!

Just so all you that are so mad know. I spoke to my vet at great length about this, and I am prepared to do what I have to for Izzy and the pups.

Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
What are you planning to do for Izzy and the pups?

Are you prepared to find 5 or 6 loving homes for the pups?

I guess I'm kind of confused because you said you were on the fence about getting one, but then you said you wanted them to have babies.
 

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Wow. *is speechless*

You bred a male that you have NO IDEA what his genetic background is like? If that isn't irresponsible, I don't know what is. I'm sorry, I just can't give you a congrats on this.

If you've been a member on this forum as long as i have - surely it has not escaped your notice how little tolerance of irresponsible breeding there is from members here.

All i can say is that I feel very sorry for your sweet Izzy. Possibly 6 pups? That is almost unheard of with purebred maltese. I hope your vet has advised you of the possibility of a csection and the expense involved?

I would see if your vet can hook you up with another breeder in your area. Sooo many things can go wrong. If you need actual advise on whelping supplies, let me know.
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.

If all the tongue lashings are done, I hope you all feel much better.

3Maltmom...Why the sarcasm? And no, I don't do top knots, thank you!!!
And to put your mind at ease, she is in good health!

Just so all you that are so mad know. I spoke to my vet at great length about this, and I am prepared to do what I have to for Izzy and the pups.

Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
Why did you want pups from them? I'm sorry you're not getting the responses you wanted, but there was so much that should have been done to prevent this--- I think people are frustrated that you are/were both unprepared and careless.

It's really not cool that you have put your girl in this predicament. :( I really do wish you the best of luck and hope you don't let this happen again.
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.

If all the tongue lashings are done, I hope you all feel much better.

3Maltmom...Why the sarcasm? And no, I don't do top knots, thank you!!!
And to put your mind at ease, she is in good health!

Just so all you that are so mad know. I spoke to my vet at great length about this, and I am prepared to do what I have to for Izzy and the pups.

Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
What you need to do at this point is to stay in constant contact with your vet, get a book on breeding (The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne is a good start and can be purchased online from Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com) and try to connect with a breeder in your area who is experienced in breeding small dogs (perhaps your vet can recommend someone). I am not going to lecture you. In the event that you didn't already know this, you now know that intact girls hanging out with intact boys eventually leads to puppies. At 5 yrs. old for her own health and longevity your girl should be spayed. And at 9 mos. old your boy should be neutered. Whelping puppies is scary and no inexperienced person should do it alone. Find someone to be there with you. And about that x-ray ... puppies' bones are not calcified enough to show up on an x-ray until the last 5-7 days before birth. Did you have an x-ray or an ultrasound? You should probably have another x-ray done within 3-5 days of her due date. I will pray for Mom and pups.
 

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I also don't like the fact that you were blaming them on the puppy making, when it was really YOUR fault. You said it yourself, YOU wanted them to have pups.

This will never be something I support. Sorry.
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.
Of course you did. That's why you brought in an unaltered male.

Very sad, but what's done is done. Perhaps a poster can send you a few links to read up on. I hope others think twice before they decide to breed their pets, and do research before the deed is done.

Far too many are in shelters and rescues. There's no excuse for breeding pets, while so many are on death row.

I wish Izzy, and the pups, the very best. Please see to it these pups are all spayed/neutered.
 

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Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
People on this site support spaying and neutering of pets. Please take the advice you have recieved here today. And as soon as Izzy is recovered from her birthing, please have her spayed. The little male should be neutered immediently.
 

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I'm really concerned about your little girl. If she's 5 years old and this is her first litter, she's at a high risk for whelping problems. I've been told from knowledgeable breeders that you really want a female to have her first litter by three years old, before the pelvic symphisis calcifies. After this happens, the pelvis does not expand and move as easily as before the calcification occurs. Reputable breeders retire their breeding females at 5-6 years of age because their muscles are not as strong, bones not as flexible, etc as they were from 2-5 years of age. Also, the older a female gets and the more heat cycles she has, the greater the risk for pyometra - a potentially fatal uterine infection that always requires an emergency spay...very dangerous situation. So...with her being five years old and this being her first litter, this could be a dangerous situation for her. Please try to find an experienced breeder nearby that can be with you as she whelps her litter..or if that isn't possible, find one that can talk to you over the phone. And be sure to have your vet on alert, as the possiblity of her needing a C-section is pretty high.

Please have both of your dogs spayed and neutered after this! And please find good homes for these babies and make sure they will be spayed & neutered as well.
 

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What you need to do at this point is to stay in constant contact with your vet, get a book on breeding (The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne is a good start and can be purchased online from Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com) and try to connect with a breeder in your area who is experienced in breeding small dogs (perhaps your vet can recommend someone). I am not going to lecture you. In the event that you didn't already know this, you now know that intact girls hanging out with intact boys eventually leads to puppies. At 5 yrs. old for her own health and longevity your girl should be spayed. And at 9 mos. old your boy should be neutered. Whelping puppies is scary and no inexperienced person should do it alone. Find someone to be there with you. And about that x-ray ... puppies' bones are not calcified enough to show up on an x-ray until the last 5-7 days before birth. Did you have an x-ray or an ultrasound? You should probably have another x-ray done within 3-5 days of her due date. I will pray for Mom and pups.
Like I said before they did x-rays. I saw them with the vet.

I'm not going to make excuses, it is what it is and I have to deal with it the best I can. I was not looking for any "congrats" I was reaching out for help!

I don't need you people responding to me like I'm an idiot!

I'm done here, so give yourselves a big pat on the back!!!
 

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I would seek a specialist, get a breeder referral, and do some more homework. Yep, this will cost you some money, but you owe this to your Izzy, and the pups.

This forum is not here to support Backyard Producers, and support their,
greed, as most are planning on selling the pups, yet don't want to spend a dime on a decent vet.

I'm sure you understand this.

Please find a breeder in your area, who will help.

Izzy, and the pups, are in my thoughts, and prayers.
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.

If all the tongue lashings are done, I hope you all feel much better.

3Maltmom...Why the sarcasm? And no, I don't do top knots, thank you!!!
And to put your mind at ease, she is in good health!

Just so all you that are so mad know. I spoke to my vet at great length about this, and I am prepared to do what I have to for Izzy and the pups.

Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
Is this a typo? Did you forget to add the word "NOT" between 'did' and 'want'?

If not, I have to say it's ludicrous that you would except to get support from doing something so irresponsible and selfish.

If it is an error, maybe you could go back and correct that post, just to be clear.

I wish your dog the best of luck with her delivery..it's a done deal now..but I sincerely hope that you get them fixed.
 

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first of all, I did want them to have pups.
Guess I was wrong to think I could get some support from this site!
Good Lord! You've been a member here since March 2006. You KNEW you wouldn't get support from this group. :smilie_tischkante::smilie_tischkante: Did you just post this to stir the pot???
 

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I really hope your girl and the pups will be fine. I also pray that the little pups find loving homes and non of them will deliver any more puppies again because I hope that u will decide to spay them afterwards and make sure that this happens to the pups when they are big enough to get spayed.

I am sorry to say that I disagree with you when it comes to the members in this site. They are the most supportive, sweetest people with good knowledge. 3maltsmom, for example, does a lot to help the innocent fluffs who are in need of a loving home. There are MANY MANY MANY dogs out there in shelters. Many get killed daily because there are just way so many out there; people breed and breed irresponsibly.

I really hope u can see what we mean here one day - if not already

Kat
 
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