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First post on the forums (hello everyone!). I've come here because I was hoping to get some advice...

Our dog Soondol (see my signature) is almost 12 and has gone through a lot of challenges (had surgery 5 years ago for a luxating patella for example) but we are having a very hard time lately. He has CHF/heart murmur, separation anxiety, and a collapsed trachea. About 3 years ago, we were able to help calm him during a rough coughing episode by holding him in a sitting position, snout tucked in a bit, along with Metacam and Hycodin to help relieve his symptoms. This would help calm him and eased the physical weight on his body. Prior to us figuring out what he had, going to the vet, diagnosing the problem, and getting the medication, he'd cough for hours straight and then stop out of exhaustion. Thankfully, it took about a few weeks but he was able to steadily recover. We gave him some Throat Gold as well, which really seemed to help. In due course, he was able to recover.

Soondol is not overweight, no one smokes, we don't use a collar on him, and, when things are normal, eats quite well (his mommy, who is an excellent chef, prepares meals for him as he's picky and needs a good food diet for his health)

Unfortunately, due to some bad timing, humid weather, and luck, he's going through another bout of the collapsed trachea. We have tried what we did in the past without success and almost 3 weeks in, it feels like he is getting worse. Soondol is quite light (about 2.8 kilos) and based on his weight, he's supposed to have 2.5 ml of the Hycodin every 6-8 hours. Given his heart, we tried starting him at 2.0 ml every 6-8 hours when he would have a coughing episode and after the first week, he seemed to get better, but got worse. Now, it seems we give him 1 ml every 3 hours or so and at times, even this is not enough to suppress his cough. We will sit with him to help calm him for hours on end. Sometimes, he can go for 5-6 hours without coughing but it's hard to see any progress and it seems like the medication barely works now. At night, it's been very hard, as for the past few days, he wakes up every 2-3 hours and requires us holding him and letting him fall asleep along the side of a pillow when he's "done" his coughing fit.

We don't expect him to live forever and we will do the right thing when the time comes but at times, it seems like a Jekyll/Hyde situation, where he is completely normal and then starts coughing and it goes downhill. I truly believe he still has life in him (he still loves his chicken snacks, although with the medication he is on, he's not eating his dinner as much as he used to [being picky] ) still wags his tail, still wants to go outside, still shows us his tummy and wants to be near us. I believe the medication he is on is making it harder for him to eat regularly (he seems dizzy c/o the Hycodin at times) but I truly feel he is not done yet...

I expect that it will be worse at night and I know I have to break the coughing cycle so his throat can heal, but we are at a loss of what to do. I'm trying to keep him indoors as much as possible at a comfortable temperature with the A/C on. We also ordered some CBD oil in the hopes that it will help him relax and ease any pain (I can't imagine how any creature would feel coughing for hours on end) and it will arrive soon but I'm just wondering if there is anything else we can try to help him not cough. If I can stop the coughing or minimize it, his throat will heal and he could get better, but we're at our wits end and our vet, as a generalist, seems limited in her ability to help. We give him some organic honey to help soothe his throat.

I wrote a lot but any advice or suggestions would be wonderful and sincerely appreciated.
Sorry, I just read your post. It's so hard to know just what to do when a pup is so small. It just breaks your heart. You're doing so much to make his life easier. God bless you!

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Mark - I'm so sorry for your and your wife's loss. The hardest thing in the world is letting go of a beloved pet but it's also the most unselfish. Some people just can't say goodbye and the dog goes through more pain and suffering. You thought about Soondol and not yourselves. I hope that you indeed do have a child but even if that isn't in the cards, I hope that you heal your hearts.
 

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Hi Everyone,


First post on the forums (hello everyone!). I've come here because I was hoping to get some advice...

Our dog Soondol (see my signature) is almost 12 and has gone through a lot of challenges (had surgery 5 years ago for a luxating patella for example) but we are having a very hard time lately. He has CHF/heart murmur, separation anxiety, and a collapsed trachea. About 3 years ago, we were able to help calm him during a rough coughing episode by holding him in a sitting position, snout tucked in a bit, along with Metacam and Hycodin to help relieve his symptoms. This would help calm him and eased the physical weight on his body. Prior to us figuring out what he had, going to the vet, diagnosing the problem, and getting the medication, he'd cough for hours straight and then stop out of exhaustion. Thankfully, it took about a few weeks but he was able to steadily recover. We gave him some Throat Gold as well, which really seemed to help. In due course, he was able to recover.

Soondol is not overweight, no one smokes, we don't use a collar on him, and, when things are normal, eats quite well (his mommy, who is an excellent chef, prepares meals for him as he's picky and needs a good food diet for his health)

Unfortunately, due to some bad timing, humid weather, and luck, he's going through another bout of the collapsed trachea. We have tried what we did in the past without success and almost 3 weeks in, it feels like he is getting worse. Soondol is quite light (about 2.8 kilos) and based on his weight, he's supposed to have 2.5 ml of the Hycodin every 6-8 hours. Given his heart, we tried starting him at 2.0 ml every 6-8 hours when he would have a coughing episode and after the first week, he seemed to get better, but got worse. Now, it seems we give him 1 ml every 3 hours or so and at times, even this is not enough to suppress his cough. We will sit with him to help calm him for hours on end. Sometimes, he can go for 5-6 hours without coughing but it's hard to see any progress and it seems like the medication barely works now. At night, it's been very hard, as for the past few days, he wakes up every 2-3 hours and requires us holding him and letting him fall asleep along the side of a pillow when he's "done" his coughing fit.

We don't expect him to live forever and we will do the right thing when the time comes but at times, it seems like a Jekyll/Hyde situation, where he is completely normal and then starts coughing and it goes downhill. I truly believe he still has life in him (he still loves his chicken snacks, although with the medication he is on, he's not eating his dinner as much as he used to [being picky] ) still wags his tail, still wants to go outside, still shows us his tummy and wants to be near us. I believe the medication he is on is making it harder for him to eat regularly (he seems dizzy c/o the Hycodin at times) but I truly feel he is not done yet...

I expect that it will be worse at night and I know I have to break the coughing cycle so his throat can heal, but we are at a loss of what to do. I'm trying to keep him indoors as much as possible at a comfortable temperature with the A/C on. We also ordered some CBD oil in the hopes that it will help him relax and ease any pain (I can't imagine how any creature would feel coughing for hours on end) and it will arrive soon but I'm just wondering if there is anything else we can try to help him not cough. If I can stop the coughing or minimize it, his throat will heal and he could get better, but we're at our wits end and our vet, as a generalist, seems limited in her ability to help. We give him some organic honey to help soothe his throat.

I wrote a lot but any advice or suggestions would be wonderful and sincerely appreciated.
 

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Hi Everyone,


First post on the forums (hello everyone!). I've come here because I was hoping to get some advice...

Our dog Soondol (see my signature) is almost 12 and has gone through a lot of challenges (had surgery 5 years ago for a luxating patella for example) but we are having a very hard time lately. He has CHF/heart murmur, separation anxiety, and a collapsed trachea. About 3 years ago, we were able to help calm him during a rough coughing episode by holding him in a sitting position, snout tucked in a bit, along with Metacam and Hycodin to help relieve his symptoms. This would help calm him and eased the physical weight on his body. Prior to us figuring out what he had, going to the vet, diagnosing the problem, and getting the medication, he'd cough for hours straight and then stop out of exhaustion. Thankfully, it took about a few weeks but he was able to steadily recover. We gave him some Throat Gold as well, which really seemed to help. In due course, he was able to recover.

Soondol is not overweight, no one smokes, we don't use a collar on him, and, when things are normal, eats quite well (his mommy, who is an excellent chef, prepares meals for him as he's picky and needs a good food diet for his health)

Unfortunately, due to some bad timing, humid weather, and luck, he's going through another bout of the collapsed trachea. We have tried what we did in the past without success and almost 3 weeks in, it feels like he is getting worse. Soondol is quite light (about 2.8 kilos) and based on his weight, he's supposed to have 2.5 ml of the Hycodin every 6-8 hours. Given his heart, we tried starting him at 2.0 ml every 6-8 hours when he would have a coughing episode and after the first week, he seemed to get better, but got worse. Now, it seems we give him 1 ml every 3 hours or so and at times, even this is not enough to suppress his cough. We will sit with him to help calm him for hours on end. Sometimes, he can go for 5-6 hours without coughing but it's hard to see any progress and it seems like the medication barely works now. At night, it's been very hard, as for the past few days, he wakes up every 2-3 hours and requires us holding him and letting him fall asleep along the side of a pillow when he's "done" his coughing fit.

We don't expect him to live forever and we will do the right thing when the time comes but at times, it seems like a Jekyll/Hyde situation, where he is completely normal and then starts coughing and it goes downhill. I truly believe he still has life in him (he still loves his chicken snacks, although with the medication he is on, he's not eating his dinner as much as he used to [being picky] ) still wags his tail, still wants to go outside, still shows us his tummy and wants to be near us. I believe the medication he is on is making it harder for him to eat regularly (he seems dizzy c/o the Hycodin at times) but I truly feel he is not done yet...

I expect that it will be worse at night and I know I have to break the coughing cycle so his throat can heal, but we are at a loss of what to do. I'm trying to keep him indoors as much as possible at a comfortable temperature with the A/C on. We also ordered some CBD oil in the hopes that it will help him relax and ease any pain (I can't imagine how any creature would feel coughing for hours on end) and it will arrive soon but I'm just wondering if there is anything else we can try to help him not cough. If I can stop the coughing or minimize it, his throat will heal and he could get better, but we're at our wits end and our vet, as a generalist, seems limited in her ability to help. We give him some organic honey to help soothe his throat.

I wrote a lot but any advice or suggestions would be wonderful and sincerely appreciated.
Hello!
Looks like this was a bit ago, but hopefully if it doesn't help you it will help someone else. I have the exact same thing going on with my min-pin. I use Theo-24 for reopening the airway along with the Hydrocodin every 6 - 9 hours. She is also on a fluid pill to keep her lungs clear. I read that Cerenia is now used off label for upper trach collapses but haven't tried it. During high pollen days, 1 regular Benadryl also helps a bunch and is calming like maybe you are finding with the CBD oil. The first offering from our initial vet was an inhaler. I don't know if it actually helps, but in those long coughing fits it definitely makes me feel better to offer immediate relieve...airdawg is where I found the adapter for dogs. Like you, I'll do the right thing when the time comes but most of the day she is so full of life yet.
 

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Our Kitzi has a murmur & a lower CT. He is on 2 heart meds, & he also takes Lomotil for CT. He has remained stable in the last year & the Lomotil helps w/his breathing (CT). I am a member of the FB group Pat mentioned in this posting above. We have not had to use throat drops or the Manuka honey/slippery elm mix thus far. An enlarging heart can press on the trachea causing collapse---esp. in the lower area. Kitzi does not yet have CHF. He does get egg-shell membrane (as does Lisi) to strengthen the trachea. Dr. Mercola also has an Ubiuinol for cats & dogs that helps to support normal cardiovascular function (it is a spay can where I put one spray on the pups' food at night). Kitzi has one ruptured chordae tendineae. The cardiologist told us we can expect to see more ruptures as this progresses. Kitzi's first rupture came quickly & apparently out of nowhere w/no noticing precipitation. It was a horrific episode w/my husband practically running stop lights to get us to the hospital/clinic in time. We were not sure he would make it. By the time we arrived he was already a bit better. He now has an excellent cardiologist who sees him every 6 months & does an echo every year. She is the one who noticed the CT of the lower part near the heart when she looked at his exrays.
Our advice is always to press one's vet to see the best specialist possible, do one's research so good questions can be formulated & keep up w/off label meds that have been helpful in some dogs.
 

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Hi Mark,
I just found this post, and a was very sorry to hear that you lost your sweet Soondol. I was searching this post for my sweet baby Kim Chee (his first mommy and daddy were Korean). He and Soondol could be brothers! They look so much alike. You can see his pictures :) Soondol was so adorable. I am sorry for your loss. I am going through an almost identical situation to what you described in your posts right now, cooking special food, staying up all night, etc etc. My pup does not always have choking like Soondol, but he has apnea, so he stops breathing when he is asleep, and it happens at least 100 (really!) per night. Also, he sometimes suffers seizures, possibly from the oxygen deficit (at night) and has started having choking fits when he is stressed out during grooming and things that did not bother him. He is only 6 1/2. It is breaking my heart, because he is the light of my life and I would do anything for him. And like you I am afraid to leave him because I don't want him to die alone. We have had EVERY test done and there is literally NOTHING wrong with him, other than his trachea, which is weakened near the bronchi. I live in a country I will not mention but we do not have great medical care so the doctors have literally prescribed nothing and done nothing, and there is not any holistic medicine or acupuncture or uni here, and I do not think he would survive a flight home to the US for treatment. I am a nurse so I take excellent care of him, but also like you, I have notice him pulling away from me lately, and I've been wondering about his quality of life. It is very frustrating not being able to do anything for him. I have taken him to three vets already and they have not even given me an inhaler for him. Anyway, Thank you for sharing your experience and know that you are not alone. Peace, Elizabeth and Kim Chee dog
 

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Elizabeth---there is a FB group for collapsed trachea with lots of good info that may help. I have a great cardiologist but I also get info from this FB site. Maybe it would be helpful to you? I wish there was something more I could offer as I know how desperate one feels when there is no help & no good advice.
 
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