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Yeah plastic seems too hard! I've heard Nylabone is good for puppies? I think that's the brand my family used for our Pomeranian puppy I had growing up.

Did Lisi's teeth come in at a normal rate? Or did they take longer to come in since she's smaller?
 

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Please do not give your Dogs or Puppies any Nylabone products. The ones that can be especially harmful are the resin ones as they tend to do great harm to their stomachs and cause a great deal of harm. There are articles if you search Nylabone.
 

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Yeah plastic seems too hard! I've heard Nylabone is good for puppies? I think that's the brand my family used for our Pomeranian puppy I had growing up.

Did Lisi's teeth come in at a normal rate? Or did they take longer to come in since she's smaller?
Very normal rate! I had her baby teeth removed about 10 months of age as she had 2 sets of teeth in her mouth. She has only had one tooth pulled that grew in funny & was touching her gums on the bottom. She also lost one of her teeth probably chewing on a Churpi Chew. Kitzel lost one or two that way too.
 

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Very normal rate! I had her baby teeth removed about 10 months of age as she had 2 sets of teeth in her mouth. She has only had one tooth pulled that grew in funny & was touching her gums on the bottom. She also lost one of her teeth probably chewing on a Churpi Chew. Kitzel lost one or two that way too.
Oh okay that's good to know! Thanks for the info! My friend's teacup yorkie had the double set of teeth going on too, the "shark teeth" thing haha. I guess it's common for smaller dogs!
 

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Yes, maltese & teeth are always interesting---we just had the baby teeth removed when Lisi was spayed & Kitzel got his out when he was neutered. He is bigger than Lisi but he had to have more removed---she has a very tiny mouth & teeny tiny teeth. I have to bug the smalles kibble possible---but she doesn't get much kibble at all.
 

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Have you seen puppy in person

When I was searching for my Kenzi, I found 3 or 4 scammers offering puppies. I Reversee searched photos....discovered some photos taken in UK and some in Taiwan yet supposed Virginia and Florida breeders. One said she was in military and being transferred to Maine and would have to deliver by airplane shipping as was being transferred in 3 days. After I told her I was in New Hampshire and close to Maine, I never heard from her again. Her name also didn’t show on the active military website. I work in a law office and always search that website as cannot serve civil legal process on active military...at least for the type of cases I work with. She wanted me to send money for purchase and for airfare...the puppy was 4 months old yet the exact 4 pictures I had found using reversee were taken nearly 2 years prior.
 

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Dog picture on website tatertot also offered by 2 other breeders

This pic is on tatertot website as well as on 2 other non related websites....SCAMMER ALERT.

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Use a breeder near you so that you may visit. Reputable breeders often want to check out the new owner as well and, therefore, require an in-person ahead of time.
 

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This thread makes me so sad. Have not been on here for a long time but when I saw “puppy mill” l just had to respond. We adopted our Lexi three years ago. We live in Ohio~right in the middle of the awful Amish puppy mills. She was pulled by a rescue after the Amish were finished with her and took her to be euthanized. She is my baby, wonderful companion, and I still tear up when I imagine the life she lived. She was so scared of everyone and everything. We did not know her history but she was fully potty trained and her our groomer commented on how she could tell that Lexi was used to being groomed. Our groomer and our vet both agreed that she had most likely been used as the “model” for pictures to advertise their puppies. She has frequent ear infections caused a deformed ear canal (because a previous bad infection was never treated), she still does not know what a a toy is for (despite our purchasing many), but she is healthy and happy (as long as I am no more than 12 inches away from her). She is my 8.5 pound 5year old PRINCESS. I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE PUPPY MILLS!!!
 

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This pic is on tatertot website as well as on 2 other non related websites....SCAMMER ALERT.

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Use a breeder near you so that you may visit. Reputable breeders often want to check out the new owner as well and, therefore, require an in-person ahead of time.
I looked at both of those facebook pages and couldn't find that photo anywhere. I also did a reverse image search for all the photos of my puppy and they all came up with zero results. I was given a video of my puppy showing off her face and I then asked them for an additional video and requested that she be walking around/playing and they sent me a new custom video the next day that met my request. I could clearly see that it was the same puppy as the first video and was in the same location. I did look at breeders in my area, but none of them had the smaller Korean "teacup" look that I was after.

@Nena2KK I'm so sorry that your little one had such a rough past and I'm so happy that she's thriving with you now! However, I do not believe this is a puppy mill. I believe she is a home breeder and she has been very communicative and hands-on about educating me on the special care that these tiny puppies require. I don't think people who run puppy mills are that concerned about communicating with or educating their clients.
 

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I looked at both of those facebook pages and couldn't find that photo anywhere. I also did a reverse image search for all the photos of my puppy and they all came up with zero results. I was given a video of my puppy showing off her face and I then asked them for an additional video and requested that she be walking around/playing and they sent me a new custom video the next day that met my request. I could clearly see that it was the same puppy as the first video and was in the same location. I did look at breeders in my area, but none of them had the smaller Korean "teacup" look that I was after.

@Nena2KK I'm so sorry that your little one had such a rough past and I'm so happy that she's thriving with you now! However, I do not believe this is a puppy mill. I believe she is a home breeder and she has been very communicative and hands-on about educating me on the special care that these tiny puppies require. I don't think people who run puppy mills are that concerned about communicating with or educating their clients.

You've heard a lot from the voices of experience here; it's unfortunate that their advice hasn't been taken to heart. Red flags on your "breeder" include CKC (unless you're in Canada, it's a registration created so puppy mills can register their puppies), prices higher than the best show breeders, calling them teacups (that word in itself is a scam), ridiculous payment and no refund policy, putting a puppy "on sale" for black Friday, I could go on and on.


I do hope that you wind up with the puppy you think you are going to get and that the puppy is truly healthy.
 

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Ainsley, I agree w/Maggie above. Your "breeder" is a "broker." She buys & sells all kinds of puppies. You can choose to believe otherwise because your heart is fixated on the puppy you chose & you are already emotionally involved, & financially involved. I get that! It is difficult to admit something IF we don't want it to be true. Believe me, I have been in that situation but w/other circumstances---so I know the feeling.
We all wish to believe the "good." But unfortunately we have had to learn some hard lessons. We all wish you the best, but please don't call this broker a "breeder." I am sorry you got caught up in her deciet. I can tell you are a good person & it breaks my heart to see you defending her.
 

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Again, I have already paid for the puppy so there's not much I can do at this point. Not sure how it's productive to continue pointing out things that you all believe are "red flags" simply because it doesn't comply with the AKC/AMA standard.

The only kinds of puppies I've seen her selling recently are Pomeranians, Maltese, and maltipoms. She owns both Pomeranians and Maltese. I do agree that there's probably some brokering going on, as I know that my puppy was not bred in her home, but by a Korean breeder who used one of her studs. So I believe she does import some puppies that she didn't breed herself, I'm not blind to that.

@Edelweiss, thank you for being understanding of my situation and offering some compassion. It's very much appreciated.

I was really excited to find this forum and get advice on how to properly care for my puppy, but unfortunately I just feel attacked and shamed. I understand wanting to educate people on breeding standards, but the general vitriol I've been met with just makes me feel discouraged and is putting a huge damper on what should be a very happy and exciting time.
 

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Unfortunately, you did not visit this site before you already made a commitment to purchase this Puppy Ainsley. But in all honesty, those who have given you some very sound and good advice are all just looking out for you and were certainly not trying in anyway to shame you or make you feel discouraged. I have been coming to this site for quite some time and the people that post are some of the most sincere, caring,and knowledgeable individuals that you would want to meet. I almost purchased a little tiny Yorkie at the end of July from what is supposed to be a very reputable Breeder and so glad that I immediately saw many "red flags" and backed away. I did however, get the most adorable little tiny Yorkie Puppy at the beginning of October from a very reputable Yorkie Breeder and could not be happier with our new little Laci!! I personally want to wish you all the best with your new Puppy and hope that every thing works out for you when you finally get her home with you.
 

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Again, I have already paid for the puppy so there's not much I can do at this point. Not sure how it's productive to continue pointing out things that you all believe are "red flags" simply because it doesn't comply with the AKC/AMA standard.

The only kinds of puppies I've seen her selling recently are Pomeranians, Maltese, and maltipoms. She owns both Pomeranians and Maltese. I do agree that there's probably some brokering going on, as I know that my puppy was not bred in her home, but by a Korean breeder who used one of her studs. So I believe she does import some puppies that she didn't breed herself, I'm not blind to that.

@Edelweiss, thank you for being understanding of my situation and offering some compassion. It's very much appreciated.

I was really excited to find this forum and get advice on how to properly care for my puppy, but unfortunately I just feel attacked and shamed. I understand wanting to educate people on breeding standards, but the general vitriol I've been met with just makes me feel discouraged and is putting a huge damper on what should be a very happy and exciting time.
Ainsley please don't feel attacked and shamed. It's not you that people are upset with, its this "breeder". We are family here and we all love our dogs and we just hate to see these situations where people are in the business of breeding just to make money. True breeders are supposed to breed their dogs to produce the healthiest dog possible, not to produce the tiniest dog just so they can make more money.

Don't feel bad either that you didn't know what to look for in a breeder. When I got Pipper, I got him from what we call a "backyard breeder". I just didn't know either. I was very uneducated on what to look for and thought you only buy from a show breeder if you planned on showing your dog. Now I know the difference.

Please keep coming back here. Once you bring your puppy home you will have tons of questions and someone here will always have an answer.
By the way, when do you get her and do you have a name picked out?
 

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Thank you so much for the kind words, I truly appreciate it! I do wish I wouldn't have been quite as hasty in making my decision and had done more research, but there's no going back now so I'm just going to do my best moving forward. The breeder is going to be receiving the puppy from Korea on December 18th, so I'm going to ask her if we can skype/facetime so that I can see the puppy again and make sure that it is the same puppy as the videos. If that is not the puppy I end up picking up at the airport in January, I will do my best to get my money back but I hope that isn't necessary. I've paid through PayPal so I guess there's a chance I could dispute the charges if I end up receiving a different puppy, but I really hope it doesn't come to that because there's no guarantee I'd be able to get my money back. I signed a contract so I'm pretty sure she's protected herself from that.
 

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As long as you paid with the "Services and goods" option and not "friends and family", you can file a dispute through PayPal, if god forbid it comes to that.

PayPal is actually really good about handling disputes professionally. I can definitely see them reimbursing you, if the breeder pulls the ol' switcharoonie on yah. Hopefully there's no clause in their policy regarding the purchase of pets though.
 

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At this point, since you have already paid what you imply is a significant amount of money as a deposit, I will just give you this advice: either buy pet health insurance or have at least $10,000 set aside for vet bills.
I bought my first Maltese back in 2008, knowing nothing about ethical breeders. Long story short, my precious Lily had numerous health issues and surgeries through the years. At age 10 (last year), she was fine one day, then suddenly paralyzed from the neck down the next day. We spent almost $5000 the last week of her life on vet specialists to help her, but even spinal surgery could not fix her paralysis, so we had to put her down.
This is the kind of dog unethical breeders sell. Heartbreaking stories like mine are the reason people here have tried to persuade you to walk away from this breeder. I know you want to hope for the best and think your new dog won't have serious health issues, but genetic issues are common in puppy mill dogs, so do please have pet insurance or money set aside for the likelihood of problems like luxating patella, liver shunt, vertebral issues, etc.
 

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@Kilo, thank you so much, that's good to know! They've been sending me more updated videos of her so I don't think they'd try to switch the puppy since I've been able to see her growth, so they wouldn't really be able to use the "oh no it's not a different dog she just grew so she looks different" excuse.

@Kayanne, I'm so so sorry for your loss, that sounds absolutely horrible and I'm so sorry you and your sweet puppy had to go through that. In hindsight, I do wish I had asked for more information on the parents' health, although I suppose that's still something I can do now just to try to help foresee any issues. The breeder has been very transparent in saying that these puppies are extremely fragile and require very specialized care in order to remain healthy, so she's gone over the strict regimented feeding schedule for her as well as taking it very easy in the first year of life. For example, I am not to walk her outside on a leash or let her have free reign of the house because she could expend too much energy and risk hypoglycemia, so she will need to be carefully supervised. I'm hoping that by being extra cautious in the beginning, it'll help set her up for success in the long run, but I will absolutely keep an eye out for those problems you mentioned. I think luxating patella is common in a lot of small dogs in general, my friend has a 5 lb yorkie who has problems with that and my parents' Pomeranian mix has it as well.
 

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For example, I am not to walk her outside on a leash or let her have free reign of the house because she could expend too much energy and risk hypoglycemia, so she will need to be carefully supervised.

This is absolutely not true of healthy dogs. Hypoglycemia is usually a risk in dogs that have been deliberately underfed in order to maintain their "tiny" weight or in puppies that have been pulled from their mother too soon.
 
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