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Hello,

My name is Robyn and I am a foster Mom to Nikki aka lil doggie aka
miss prissy! LOL

Here is the scoop and my situation

My Mom rescued her from a woman who kept her crated and said she
pottied in her crate I have had her since October without a single
accident. But then again I trashed the crate. She doesn't need it.
When she came to me she was in severe need of a dental and had
infected teeth that were a nasty brown. The dental went well and she
has little pearlies again. I did the dental the second day she was
here along with updating he vaccinations. She was also recently
shaved when she came here and whoever did it nicked both of her eyes
and it was awful! She is about 8 years old and has had a myriad of
owners.

She is a SWEETHEART and we all love her so. Her first month no one
could touch her neck or she would attack and bite. Now we can pet
her, play with her and cuddle and she loves it.

The problem is grooming. Obviously they need to be groomed! I also
have a chocolate havanese and 2 Pomeranians and an American Eskimo. I
am no stranger to baths and brushes! I have a pug to but she is wash
and wear! Now with Nikki, I can bathe her fine, but she has to be
muzzled for grooming. It's HORRIBLE. Here is the real problem. I
can't groom her face at all, unless I have thick gloves and a handy
supply of band aids. She attacks even at my face. For the record I am
SOOOOOOOO GENTLE with her, I talk to her in a soothing voice etc.
Amazingly enough she enjoys being blow-dried and that is fun stuff!
But it's stressful so I don't push it. She has tangles in her cheeks
from eating and playing and the like. She attacks me, the brush, me
again and lunges and bites. I feel AWFUL. She also does this when I
need to put her collar on to take her to the vet or for a ride in the
car. I live in New England so it gets COLD and putting a sweater on
her brings out the same. She is extremely volatile when she doesn't
like something. I wish I could put it into words but for a visual if
you have seen the movie Cujo…..

I am wondering if there is a medication or something I can use for
the grooming. As horrible as it sounds I am desperate. I groom all my
dogs regularly, even her. I have to. I cannot send her to a groomer
as I would be terrified how anyone else will handle this. I imagine
she has some pretty rough handling in her past for her to be like
this. It's sad. Unfortunately I cannot adopt her out to a forever
home as she does bite. My Mom is going to adopt her as soon as her
home is finished being built, and I know she will be loved and doted
on and cherished for whom she is. Its not her fault. But as she does
require grooming I need some insight. Some help! I am so upset about
the whole thing.

For the record I will be Nikki's guardian forever. I promised her she
would never be neglected, hurt or caged again! I know that she will
have a great home with my mom. But we gotta do something while she is
here.

Oh she gets along fine with all the other dogs. But she does have
curious habit of chasing the poor cats and my smaller than she is
Pomeranian. He is a senior and she loves to run the poor dear down!
LOL Talk about personality. Oh and she will sneak up on my pug and
bite her tail to get the pug to chase her too. LOL She really is a
such a firecracker!
Thanks!
Robyn
 

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Bless you for taking in little Nikki. Poor thing was probably abused in the past and is just terrified. Hopefully the situation will improve as she learns to trust that you will not hurt her.

You might try Bach's Flowers Rescue Remedy. It's a homeopathic tincture that takes the edge off. Many people swear by it for stressful situtaions like vet trips, thunder storms, etc.

Here's bit more about it, but you don't have to buy it online. I have gotten it at GNC.

http://www.goldentails.com/new_page_4.htm

Another trick would be to give Nikki a half a children's Benedryl before. I'd check with your vet, though, to determine dosage according to her size. You might also ask your vet about a little Valium for super stressful situations since Nikki is obviously a trautmatized dog.

I'd love to see a picture of Nikki.
 

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I'll get the rescue remedy TODAY.

I have apicture of her from X-mas with her Santa had on. She almost killed me for that one. I am sure she called a hitman or two getting estimates.

LOL

My Havanes has a vet appointment this AM and I will ask about the benedryl. ANYTHING to get her groomed.

We assume she was grabbed out of the crate by the scruff of her neck. SHe HATES HATES HATES men.....

But not my husband. LOL She gets "couch priveledge" over the other dogs. I think he is spoiling her way to much. He calls her "little bitchy" (he means it in the sweetest and funniest way) lol as he carries her all around the house. She gets carried inside and out and when she gets into trouble (like chasing the cats) he just shakes a finger at her and scoops her up. SHe has that man TIED right aeound her little white paw.

How do I post a picture?

Robyn
 

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If you want to post a picture in the left hand side box by your name, click on "My Controls" at the top of the page and follow the directions to edit avatar settings.

If you want to post a picture in the main part of your message, you'll have to store your picture somewhere on the internet. I use photobucket. com. Then click on the "IMG" button which appears above when you post a message and enter the address.
 

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Welcome to SM!!!!
Lots of hugs and kisses to Nikki!!!! I am sure things will improve when she regains her trust and sees what real love is!!!! Sounds like she is on her way already!!!!
 

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If rescue remedy or benadryl are not sedating enough, other options would be Torbutrol or Acepromazine. You should definately discuss this with your vet. While you do this for major grooming, I would start desensitizing her to having you touch her face. You need some very yummy treats. However close to her head you can safely touch her, start touch with one hand, feed a treat with the other. Your hand coming at her is not a great thing. Very slowly, and this will be over a number of weeks, start petting closer and closer to her face. Basically, get a little closer, stay there for a few days until she is totally relaxed and accepting of being pet there. Then more a little closer. If she is biting or not taking the treat, you need to slow down and back off. It will probably take 2-3 months to get her to let you handle her with your hands, then, you need to repeat the whole process with brush, comb, scissors, clipper (off, then on, then trimming). Going slowly is the most important part. She's had 8 years...what's 6 more months? I would just sedate and clip her face down every so often in the meantime.
 

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I did it! Whooo Hoooo!
De'res da baby dirly! she say "woof foster mommy I'm famous now"

Ain't she Swwweeeeett! lol well she is 90% sugar and spice and 10% satan in a white coat!

I likes the desensitizing her ideas. I called the doctor and I am going to pick up Azeltine???(sp) tomorrow we can try valium later. Maybe I can clip her cheeks.

She only is snarky when grooming. She does the cutest "rollover" for treats. You have to use a highpitched voice and cirlce your hands alot! lol she'll keep going.

She loves snuggles and belly rubs. But not the brush. We can touch her everywhere but she attacks a comb. She really reserves the aggression with sweaters. Hats - I did it anyway as I wanted her to have a first X-mas picture! I did snap a picture of her trying to attack me. Selfish me! Her collar - oh dear thats a nightmare. I have a soft muzzle I use. I don't really have a choice. She has to be groomed.

Anyway thanks for listening. Now you can see my girl. For the record I have had her since October. I have 5 of my own dogs and when she goes to her forever home my house will feel empty. So will my heart.

Robyn
and the kids!
 

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Welcome to the site. I don't really have any advice for you. Sounds like other posters have given some good thoughts though.
 

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Welcome. She is so cute!!
Gosh, I loved reading about your baby. I could just picture everything and I am just so glad that she has found you! Bless you!!

It sounds like maybe she was choked in her collar or pulled a lot while wearing one... something that was at her face area. HOWEVER, I've had Catcher since he was 10 weeks old and know he hasn't been abused but he totally freaks if I take comb to his face. However, if I use my fingers intead of the comb he's just fine. Of course I get to the point where I am just dying to get a good comb run through it and sometimes I can.

So, maybe start with her getting used to your hands and then the grooming equipment....Also, how about having some favorite treats at the grooming area and give her one for each little victory. Maybe start showly spending just a couple minutes grooming her and then give her a treat. And then build up the time gradually? I feel for ya... keep us posted!

EDIT: Yikes, I just read JMM's post.... I wrote this before reading it.... JMM... I wasn't trying to copy you.... I guess "great minds think alike"!!
 

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Originally posted by Kallie/Catcher's Mom@Jan 6 2005, 08:02 PM
Welcome. She is so cute!! 
Gosh, I loved reading about your baby. I could just picture everything and I am just so glad that she has found you! Bless you!!

It sounds like maybe she was choked in her collar or pulled a lot while wearing one... something that was at her face area. HOWEVER, I've had Catcher since he was 10 weeks old and know he hasn't been abused but he totally freaks if I take comb to his face. However, if I use my fingers intead of the comb he's just fine. Of course I get to the point where I am just dying to get a good comb run through it and sometimes I can.

So, maybe start with her getting used to your hands and then the grooming equipment....Also, how about having some favorite treats at the grooming area and give her  one for each little victory. Maybe start showly spending just a couple minutes grooming her and then give her a treat. And then build up the time gradually?  I feel for ya... keep us posted!

EDIT: Yikes, I just read JMM's post.... I wrote this before reading it.... JMM... I wasn't trying to copy you.... I guess "great minds think alike"!!

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LOL You didn't have to tell me...you could have let my ego inflate just a little hehehe
 

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WARM WELCOMES TO YOU AND YOU NIKKI! Tell your mom we love her for offering Nikki a forever home
. 1000's of XOXO's from ButterCloud and Noriko!! Take care!
 

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Originally posted by JMM+Jan 6 2005, 08:30 PM-->
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Welcome. She is so cute!! 
Gosh, I loved reading about your baby. I could just picture everything and I am just so glad that she has found you! Bless you!!

It sounds like maybe she was choked in her collar or pulled a lot while wearing one... something that was at her face area. HOWEVER, I've had Catcher since he was 10 weeks old and know he hasn't been abused but he totally freaks if I take comb to his face. However, if I use my fingers intead of the comb he's just fine. Of course I get to the point where I am just dying to get a good comb run through it and sometimes I can.

So, maybe start with her getting used to your hands and then the grooming equipment....Also, how about having some favorite treats at the grooming area and give her  one for each little victory. Maybe start showly spending just a couple minutes grooming her and then give her a treat. And then build up the time gradually?  I feel for ya... keep us posted!

EDIT: Yikes, I just read JMM's post.... I wrote this before reading it.... JMM... I wasn't trying to copy you.... I guess "great minds think alike"!!



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LOL You didn't have to tell me...you could have let my ego inflate just a little hehehe
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What I meant to say is that I didn't want you to think I was trying to steal your thunder.... repeating what you had already said and putting my name to it...
 

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Hi and welcome
Nikki is just beautiful


I agree with the desensitizing thing, but be sure to take it very slowly. The poor dear must have been treated terribly...


Maybe until a time that she is more comfortable with you touching and grooming her face, you could enlist the help of your vet and/or a groomer and give her something to settle her and then clip her short? Just until you know she will accept having her coat taken care of...
Just an idea.

The other thought I had is that, as K/C Mom said, once you can get close, groom her face with your fingers until she is okay with a comb. It will take time, but you are obviously the best mummy for this little girl, and she'll learn to trust you with grooming slowly but surely...
 

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awww glad she has a good home now! welcome to SM!
 

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Originally posted by Sunshine@Jan 6 2005, 10:25 PM
Maybe until a time that she is more comfortable with you touching and grooming her face, you could enlist the help of your vet and/or a groomer and give her something to settle her and then clip her short?  Just until you know she will accept having her coat taken care of... 
  Just an idea.

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That is a good point... I agree that in order not to traumatize this baby any more than necessary, I'd give her a short puppy cut. I really need to do that with mine... they totally hate grooming and it is such an ordeal for them. But especially if they were traumatized I'd do it for sure.... puppy cuts can be very cute and they require very minimal attention!
 
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