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and i said "we're going to be around your town soon and i was wondering if we could stop by and see the pups" and she said "sure thing! here's my number ****** just call when you wanna stop by so we make sure we're there."

:blink: i though puppymills don't want you to go to their house to see the pups? she seemed so chill with the idea too.
 

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If she's a mill they probably don't keep the dogs at the house.....at least not all.
 

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I agree with Brit. Also, by you calling ahead of time, it gives her time to tidy anything up or hide things she doesn't want you to see. Or, she is not ashamed of what she is doing and just doesn't care.
 

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Didn't you say this is a network of breeders that works together? She may not have tons of dogs at her own house if she only breeds the Maltese for the network. Another possibility (as I know a lot of large BYBs and mills do this) is that they have a large outdoor building where they keep the majority of their dogs. And then they probably only keep the mothers and puppies inside their home...which may be what you have access too. If this is the case, it should be very easy for them to keep the dogs/puppies inside clean and presentable to buyers. Hopefully they do keep their dogs in decent conditions and care for them okay...you just have to know with a large backyard breeder or mill that they are NOT breeding carefully or responsibly. They are not doing what is best for the dogs, the breed, or the new pet owner. These people may actually appear to be decent breeders to those that don't know any better..but it takes a LOT more than putting two purebred dogs together and keeping them in a clean cage with food & water to be a good breeder.
 

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Didn't you say this is a network of breeders that works together? She may not have tons of dogs at her own house if she only breeds the Maltese for the network. Another possibility (as I know a lot of large BYBs and mills do this) is that they have a large outdoor building where they keep the majority of their dogs. And then they probably only keep the mothers and puppies inside their home...which may be what you have access too. If this is the case, it should be very easy for them to keep the dogs/puppies inside clean and presentable to buyers. Hopefully they do keep their dogs in decent conditions and care for them okay...you just have to know with a large backyard breeder or mill that they are NOT breeding carefully or responsibly. They are not doing what is best for the dogs, the breed, or the new pet owner. These people may actually appear to be decent breeders to those that don't know any better..but it takes a LOT more than putting two purebred dogs together and keeping them in a clean cage with food & water to be a good breeder.
I agree with everything Michele said. :thumbsup:

Shelby, if you want to know the truth, request copies of their inspection reports. You can do that here:

USDA - APHIS - FOIA Request Fees

A physical inspection of the property is not going to tell you anything about the genetic makeup of the puppy. It's what you can't see that can run up the huge vet bills later on and possibly break your heart.
 

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Yep, like others have said, try to look around as much as possible for some sort of outdoor enclosure (shed, garage, barn, etc). If you aren't allowed in to something like that, for whatever, reason, there's a good chance that's where the majority of the dogs are kept and the few kept in the house serve as the examples to make potential buyers feel better. Remember, the inspection reports from when they first started stated that at that time they had 41 dogs. I highly doubt that number has fallen in the last 3-4 years.
 

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She could have all her dogs around if she is just a byb. The object is not knowing the genes she is using for breeding, if she just breeds and breeds for money. Dogs with genetic problems are passing that along to pups and grief for the new owner.
Don't be fooled if you see all the dogs in the house and she offers you coffee. She still is not doing the right thing. Pass the word.....DO NOT BUY FROM BYB's OR PUPPY MILLS.
 

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My Ellie who I had to PTS at the age of 5 came from a BYB. She kept the pups in the house. I did ask to meet her parents and they took me out back to a shed, she had several breeds. The shed did have AC. I am much smarter now but really was clueless when we bought Ellie. Ellie was a very sick little girl most of her life, we gave her a great home, she was very loved by us and Spoiled Maltese. My 600 dollar puppy ended up costing us about 15000 dollars and a broken heart. I would have your puppy checked by a vet and have a blood panel to rule out Liver Disease.

Good Luck,

Cathy and Mercedes
 

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By all means, any puppy/dog anyone acquires, regardless of source, should get an immediate and thorough vet check. That's definitely recommended whether it's a $600 dog or a few grand, too.
 

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By all means, any puppy/dog anyone acquires, regardless of source, should get an immediate and thorough vet check. That's definitely recommended whether it's a $600 dog or a few grand, too.
This is a must for all dog owners.
But it still won't help if a dormant genetic disease is inherited, it may come up a in a year or two later. Then there goes all the $$$$.
 

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This is a must for all dog owners.
But it still won't help if a dormant genetic disease is inherited, it may come up a in a year or two later. Then there goes all the $$$$.
My Lady was perfectly healthy until she was almost five years old. Then, one by one, her genetic time bombs started going off.

I now spend $5,000 a year plus on medications, diabetic supplies, and routine vet visits and tests to monitor all her conditions. That figure does not include an illness or any other unplanned vet bills which generally run another $1,000.

Bottomline is, Shelby, if you go forward with the purchase of a $300 puppy from a USDA "puppymill" kennel, prepare yourself for huge vet bills and heartbreak. You may get lucky, but the odds are not in your favor.
 

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I have to chime in with one more voice of experience. My first Maltese Ty, who is now 5 years old, came from a BYB. She was the nicest sweetest lady who loved her dogs to death, they were raised in a clean loving home but the bottom line was that she was not a responsible breeder. So no matter how nice a person is, it doesn't mean they should be breeding.

I couldn't love TY more if he were perfect but I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars on bilateral patella surgery and he is FAR from the Maltese standard (difficult to determine when they are a cute ball of fur). Buying from a reputable breeder is no guarantee that you won't have problems but there is a far greater chance for having a problem free pup if you go with a reputable breeder.
 

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My Ellie who I had to PTS at the age of 5 came from a BYB. She kept the pups in the house. I did ask to meet her parents and they took me out back to a shed, she had several breeds. The shed did have AC. I am much smarter now but really was clueless when we bought Ellie. Ellie was a very sick little girl most of her life, we gave her a great home, she was very loved by us and Spoiled Maltese. My 600 dollar puppy ended up costing us about 15000 dollars and a broken heart. I would have your puppy checked by a vet and have a blood panel to rule out Liver Disease.

Good Luck,

Cathy and Mercedes
I'd ask if there's a health guarantee,IN WRITING, for any bad lab results. See if they'll write it up,w/in a specified period of time,say 90 days to see if any major health issues come up,do they offer any type of relief,either pay for bills or refund. Refund shoulds harsh because most will offer refund only since they know you'll be totally in love w/ your fluff and not consider a refund ,so many will drop it.
 

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I'd ask if there's a health guarantee,IN WRITING, for any bad lab results. See if they'll write it up,w/in a specified period of time,say 90 days to see if any major health issues come up,do they offer any type of relief,either pay for bills or refund. Refund shoulds harsh because most will offer refund only since they know you'll be totally in love w/ your fluff and not consider a refund ,so many will drop it.
Most genetic conditions do not show up in the first 90 days. Some take years to be symptomatic.

Reputable breeders give health guarantees for genetic conditions of at least a year, usually longer.

There are a few states that have tough puppy lemon laws that require a breeder to pay for vet bills up to the cost of the puppy if the buyer opts to kept the puppy. Unfortunately, Shelby's state is not one of them. Also, since she is only paying $300 for the puppy, that wouldn't make much of a dent in a vet bill for a serious illness. Something as simple as a urinary infection with a culture and xray for stones costs $300.
 

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My previous dog came from a puppy mill. By her outward appearance, you would have never known. She was within the breed standard, a very pretty dog and very sweet, too. But like the others here, after a couple of years, the genetic time bombs started going off. I spent a ton of money, as she had back problems, Cushings, skin issues, allergies, anxiety, etc.

But the worst part about it was the pain that she had to endure from her back problems, even with medication. Over the years, she became more withdrawn from the pain, and it was heartbreaking to see.

That is why we are here telling you this. We don't want you to go through the pain and heartbreak that we did.

If people don't buy dogs from BYB's/puppy mills, they will go out of business. If you choose to buy a dog from a BYB/Puppy mill, then you are indirectly responsible for perpetuating the pain and suffering of the dogs that BYB/PM owner will breed in the future. Do you want this dog that badly that you are willing to have that on your conscience? It's really as simple as that.
 

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You know I was watching Judge Judy today and she had a case involving a Yorkie and she said to the plaintiffs "Now why did't you just look in the paper and find another puppy" :huh: I was like OMG, I mean this is a very smart woman, does she have no idea what puppy-mills are ?
So I am inclined to say I really don't think everyone knows what a puppy-mill a byb or a broker really are . I can't see Judge Judy knowing and condoning it, I hope not . :(
 
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