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Joanne---how long does that last for one dog? Is it a powder or?? My thinking is IF they have it I will do the antibiotics along w/this & then do this again.
 

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Joanne---how long does that last for one dog? Is it a powder or?? My thinking is IF they have it I will do the antibiotics along w/this & then do this again.
The 200 grams expired before I cld use it all. I was giving it to all 3 at that time and if I remember correctly, I had the jar for 2 years. It’s powder form and I think it was less than 1/8 of a teaspoon when using to supplement with food. It was more for Giardia protocol.
 

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Thank you so much. I will post here ASAP.
 
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Hoping better news. I hope a diet helps him.
 

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We had a decent night. . . was able to sleep until around 4:00 ---makes a huge difference in my attitude! :giggle: Lisi's stool is firm this morning. Kitzi snuggled way down under the covers to the bottom of my bed---I could not find him at first! He doesn't go off the bed so that was a mystery! I finally found a little, sweet lump! We are getting an arctic blast this week-end so I have some work to do to get ready!
 
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No rolling eyes...but could it be his diet? Are you giving him a bunch of different things to eat and is it possible he can’t tolerate it. Maybe he has a touch of pancreatitis, or maybe IF you have changed his diet, or giving treats , maybe it just doesn’t agree with him.
 

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I have altered his diet---but only since he got so sick. The usual more bland, palatable food like rice, boiled chicken, soft carrots, softly cooked egg whites--no fat ---it did not help. Yes, it could be a mild case of pancreatitis---not sure from what though. His diet is pretty consistent except for this. We are still waiting for the test to come back. His stool is the best today since a week ago so maybe it isn't a parasite.
 

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Would you get blood in a changed diet, diarrhea sure, but blood?
 

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Would you get blood in a changed diet, diarrhea sure, but blood?
Yes bloody stools can also be from diet change or intolerance. Also, pancreatitis or ibd flare can cause pure blood In the stools.
 

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Our Angel also had blood in her stool and it was determined that she had Colitis and had to be on prescription diet Dog Food for the rest of her life. She was with her for 14 1/2 years and did very well with that food.
 

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UPDATE WED NIGHT:
This just came in from my vet as a part of a msg:

"Oh my goodness, you know too much!!! Sure enough the sample you brought me is positive for both C. diff and another clostridum diarrhea called C. perfringens."
She is preparing some meds we will collect tomorrow as they are closed already.
I am glad we spent the $$. No giradia, but this is also not a walk in the park. I felt pretty sure but was still hopeful. Tonight Kitzi's stool was back to "not good" before we found this out.
 

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Omgosh...do you have to clean like you would for humans?
Also...can you ask if your vet can do a fecal transplant to help with recover and remission. The Boston hospitals use the pills for humans a lot around here.
Its very inexpensive to do.
 

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Yes!
I am not sure how long we have had it--Dwt. brought it home from Turkey year before last & we cleaned & cleaned & cleaned & we thought it was gone. Last summer I started to have digestive issues, saw my PC who sent me to a GI specialist---he put me on a FODMAP diet for 8 wks (did not help) just kept losing weight. He has me scheduled for scope Feb. 26th in hospital. I sent him a msg. tonight asking if this could be my issue & then read that dogs & people can pass it back & forth. K & L both had it before when D had it but I did not (D & K & L were all tested positive).
 

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Yes!
I am not sure how long we have had it--Dwt. brought it home from Turkey year before last & we cleaned & cleaned & cleaned & we thought it was gone. Last summer I started to have digestive issues, saw my PC who sent me to a GI specialist---he put me on a FODMAP diet for 8 wks (did not help) just kept losing weight. He has me scheduled for scope Feb. 26th in hospital. I sent him a msg. tonight asking if this could be my issue & then read that dogs & people can pass it back & forth. K & L both had it before when D had it but I did not (D & K & L were all tested positive).
I remember all that and I do know it can be passed from pet to human, same as Giardia because one of my clients who fosters dogs got it from a group of puppies she had.
I know it’s disgusting but my client took the fecal pills and it basically cured her issues., something you might want to consider for both you and your dogs.
 

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I have written to my GI specialist---will see what he says. I know nothing about what you are talking about! He is also a professor so I hope he knows more than most.
This whole thing just makes me want to go take a nap!
 

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I have written to my GI specialist---will see what he says. I know nothing about what you are talking about! He is also a professor so I hope he knows more than most.
This whole thing just makes me want to go take a nap!
I’m sure your exhausted. Go nap if you can 🙏🏻
 

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It is almost 8:30 PM so no nap.

I did a little reading from Mayo Clinic on F transplants--here was one negative:

The procedure is considered to be generally safe. The Food and Drug Administration, however, recently released a report about two patients who underwent fecal transplantation and contracted drug-resistant infections. It’s unclear if these cases were related to fecal transplants for C. diff. or if the fecal transplants were done for another condition. More needs to be learned about those incidents, but they speak to the importance of carefully and methodically screening donors.
You are right---it sounds a bit gross.
 

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It is almost 8:30 PM so no nap.

I did a little reading from Mayo Clinic on F transplants--here was one negative:

The procedure is considered to be generally safe. The Food and Drug Administration, however, recently released a report about two patients who underwent fecal transplantation and contracted drug-resistant infections. It’s unclear if these cases were related to fecal transplants for C. diff. or if the fecal transplants were done for another condition. More needs to be learned about those incidents, but they speak to the importance of carefully and methodically screening donors.
You are right---it sounds a bit gross.
Yes..,screening is most important. They actually have fecal donor clinics in Cambridge. Out of curiously I wanted to see the requirements needed to volunteer your sooks and surprisingly it wasn’t so easy. I also wonder how oof that article was because from what my clients in the medical field are saying...they are definitely using the pills a lot more.
idk...I think it’s something to consider, especially the dogs. There’s a place in Boston that sells the pills for them. It helped Lacie tremendously.
 

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Joanne, if you have any info on the dog pills can you PM me on FB? I might do it for them.
 

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Oh Sandi not again.

At least you know what it is. Have you talked to your vet about immune support? Any idea where they may have picked it up?
 
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