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Long time lurker, first time poster - wonderful community here.

Has anyone ever dealt with Koenen Kennels?

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Good feedback from past customers, responsive owner, USDA, breeding for 15 years and relatively few puppies available for sale

Concerning is the number of breeds (~3) available for sale, but offset by the fact that there isn't a million dogs being put up. Also, no address listed on website.

Would appreciate any input!

UPDATE: Based on the input here, I've chosen NOT to purchase from Koenen Kennels but please reserve judgement for yourself - I am not here solicit badmouthing of anyone at Koenen Kennels and I believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. If they ARE a puppy mill, shame on them, but my personal impression of the kennel owner was that she was kind and caring.

Either way, I'm going to follow the recommendaitons here and seek out a reputable (show) breeder or rescue dogs. Do your own due diligence.
 

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Long time lurker, first time poster - wonderful community here.

Has anyone ever dealt with Koenen Kennels?

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Good feedback from past customers, responsive owner, USDA, breeding for 15 years and relatively few puppies available for sale

Concerning is the number of breeds (~3) available for sale, but offset by the fact that there isn't a million dogs being put up. Also, no address listed on website.

Would appreciate any input!
I cannot see where you are located (you must be in Iowa?) but....the fact they are USDA, and have 4 breeds tells the world it's a puppymill! Stay away from them!

A little search produced this information:

Koenen, Chad & Alanda / Koenen Kennels 2010
2687 Fig Ave., Rock Valley, Iowa 51247
Ph: 712-476-9383
Cell:
Fax:
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.koenenkennels.com

Iowa has one of the largest puppymill operatons in the country - they are right up there with PA, IN, OH, OK just to name a few. :yucky:

Look here for their kennel - USDA LISTS Usually the address is listed...yes! they are listed.

Look here it will be helpful! MALTESE BREEDERS - How to find and evaulate
 

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I didn't see anything on the site that would make me recommend. you say they don't have a lot of puppies for sale - I disagree. The only thing I can say positive is that they aren't charging outrageous prices for not great quality puppies. There is no info on the parents and charging extra for AKC papers? Not the way it's usually done.

I don't know them and have never heard of their kennel or seen their dogs - my opinion is based on the info provided on the website only.
 

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I agree with the others. This is a puppy mill. People can put anything on a website. A reputable breeder shows their dogs. I'm so glad you came here for advice.
 

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I would not buy a puppy from them. It makes me sick when I see people making a living selling puppies. Have you looked on petfinder, there are over 1100 maltese that need homes.
 

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Some states require that anyone who breeds or sells animals is to be licensed with the USDA. If that is the case, you have to give the breeder's who do license credit to stay within the law. Plus, USDA monitors these breeders and kennels to make sure that they are housing their animals in a safe clean enviroment.

Otherwise, I agree with Stacy on the statis of this kennel. They are breeding and have a lot of puppies for sale. The owner stated that she is very busy with the puppies and might not get you pictures. It is very time consuming to take care of several litters at the same time.




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My opinion is that it appears to be a puppy mill, and my advice is to avoid it if that is the case.

Puppy mill owners cruelly keep sick dogs in horribly filthy cramped conditions just to make a profit. In addition, most puppy mill dogs will have health, behavior and socialization issues, which means heartbreak and $$$ for the new owners.

Before anyone buys from a puppy mill, they can do a search on google images typing in the words puppy mill.
 

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Thank you everyone, I haven't committed to anything yet and didn't want to until I had done my research.

Does being listed in the USDA registery necessarily designate a kennel as a puppy mill? Couldn't there be legitimate breeders and kennels that are USDA designated? After all, they should be being inspected by the USDA agents.

Just trying to educate myself, thanks again
 

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Thank you everyone, I haven't committed to anything yet and didn't want to until I had done my research.

Does being listed in the USDA registery necessarily designate a kennel as a puppy mill? Couldn't there be legitimate breeders and kennels that are USDA designated? After all, they should be being inspected by the USDA agents.

Just trying to educate myself, thanks again
Large commercial kennels who wholesale puppies to pet stores and brokers are required to be licensed by the USDA. Reputable breeders never wholesale their puppies to a third party as they insist on personally screening prospective buyers.

Breeders who sell at the retail level (directly to the consumer) are not required to be licensed by the USDA.

There is a lot of information about the USDA and puppymills here:

Puppymills - Information about puppy mills and how to shut them down.
 

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Oh geeze to say the least,they have a lot of puppies for sale....
I hae to say when I looked at my fluffs as pups,they had beautiful white clean faces. I'm sure puppies will have tear stains but most of the Malts seem to have it.

The other thing is puppies available at 6-8 weeks old?

I'm sure the kids love to play w/ the puppies and get interaction...

Looks like a small puppymill to me..
I know it's hard to not be taken in by those wholesome images of kids and puppies and the letters from satisfied customers....

But it's obvious they make a living from breeding puppies....

Who knows that's in the bloodline,congenital illness or disease or physical handicap,like luxing patella,that will crop up later.My Rylee,is a puppymil puppy that the former owner got from Texas,he'd been shut down 2 other times for cruelty. Rylee has LP now,so the former owner had used him for stud,has passed that down to his offspring and now their offspring...
 

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Thank you everyone, I haven't committed to anything yet and didn't want to until I had done my research.

Does being listed in the USDA registery necessarily designate a kennel as a puppy mill? Couldn't there be legitimate breeders and kennels that are USDA designated? After all, they should be being inspected by the USDA agents.

Just trying to educate myself, thanks again
Some states require that no matter how many animals you have you have to have a USDA license. It does not mean that they are a "puppy mill". To find out which state does this requires quite a bit of research. I do know Kansas is not one. If you breed in Kansas at all, you are required to be licensed by the state.
In Iowa, there is Marty Klabunde in Honey Creek is a good Maltese breeder. Her kennel name is Cedarwood. Email for her phone number.
 

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Thanks much all.

I actually live in WA but am having a hard time finding local, well-reputed Maltese breeders.
 

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Thank you everyone, I haven't committed to anything yet and didn't want to until I had done my research.

Does being listed in the USDA registery necessarily designate a kennel as a puppy mill? Couldn't there be legitimate breeders and kennels that are USDA designated? After all, they should be being inspected by the USDA agents.

Just trying to educate myself, thanks again
Oh muffinman, I sure hope you do stick around. I'll be very honest, I don't know anything at all about the place that you asked about. All I do know, is that it broke my heart seeing those babies. All those babies. To me, most if not all, looked so sad :(

There is a great deal of information on this site, as well as a some Reputable breeders who are members. And you have been given really great advice above.

The people on here are so good, and will help guide you anyway you need.

My heart not only breaks for the puppies, but the parents as well. Just going by my reaction from looking at the site.

How sad, just breaks you heart.

So glad you joined and so glad you asked. I learned so much by being a member here and it can be alot of fun too.

WELCOME!
 

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Thanks much all.

I actually live in WA but am having a hard time finding local, well-reputed Maltese breeders.

Oh I am not sure about your area, but I copied and pasted a thread that Starsmom shared the link to you for.

What you may want to do, is contact one of the breeders on the AMA American Maltse Association and ask if they could refer you to someone, or maybe they have a pup available for you.

There are so many options.

Here is the thread that Starsmom pointed out to you. So much great information. It really is so worth the read. It not only will help you, but the puppies and parents.

How to Find and Evaluate Maltese Breeders

Information from various SM members has been incorporated in to my post below. Contributors are Coco, Cosy, I Found Nemo, LadysMom, Mom2Bijou, MySugarBears, Nikki’s Mom, Poppy’s Mommy, Puppy Lover, Sicilian Rose, and Tobys Mom.

Adding a Maltese to your home is an important decision, since your new family member will hopefully be with you for many,
many years. If you take the time to research breeders and only buy from a responsible breeder, you will save yourself heartache
in the long term. Also, if you spend a little more money and buy from a responsible breeder, you will likely have less genetic health issues
and spend less over the lifetime of your Maltese. In many cases a responsible breeder’s prices are the same or less than a pet store's
or backyard breeder's prices.

A lot of people know not to buy from pet stores. They know to buy from a breeder, but it is likely that they don’t know that
there are certain types of breeders that they should avoid.

Most people would not dream of contracting a company to do thousands of dollars worth of home repair without thoroughly checking
the business out. When it comes to puppies, though, people often seem to skip this step and rely on their emotions. The information below should help you in your research to find a responsible breeder.

You may wonder what a responsible breeder is. There are a lot of things to look for but if the first one isn’t met, then you might as well
move on right away. The most important aspect of being a responsible breeder is that the breeder knows the lines behind the Malts
she is breeding. She makes sure that the Malts are good representatives of the breed... being very close to breed standard either by
achieving a championship or being evaluated by Maltese experts. Because she knows the dogs in the parent's pedigree, she is likely aware if there are any genetic diseases in the lines.

Also, in most all cases, a responsible breeder is actively involved in showing her dogs. Because she breeds to improve the breed and
to continually have dogs to show, she will from time to time have puppies that are considered “pet quality” because of minor “faults”.

Types of puppy sellers to avoid:
You may find a home breeder who has bred pet store puppies and you see that the home is clean and the puppies are kept in ideal
conditions. But this is NOT a responsible breeder. Why? Because the breeder likely does not know the Malts that are in the lines of the
breeding pair. She does not know the diseases that may be in the Malts’ lines. Nor is it likely that the Malts will be within standard and
you may end up with a 12-pound Maltese or one with curly hair, or bad temperament, etc. The type of breeder that has just been
described is called a Backyard Breeder [BYB] and even though the puppies are in a home, this is still a BYB.

BYB’s typically breed to earn income off their puppies and usually are not knowledgeable about the breed and they let the puppies go
to their new homes at less than 12 weeks old; and oftentimes the puppies go to their new homes with kennel cough, coccidia, parvo
or other diseases.

Also, don’t buy a puppy from an online site. This is not the same as a breeder’s site where you can learn all about the breeder
and be evaluated by the breeder to see if you are a good fit for one of their puppies. Stay away from online sites that have puppies’
photos lined up as if they were selling a commodity. These types of sites don’t evaluate buyers and they take credit cards without any
sort of vetting process of the buyers. Buying from this type of site is likely to end up badly.

Another type of seller of puppies to avoid is called a broker. A broker does not breed her own dogs. She buys puppies from a
breeder to sell. It is not recommended that you buy from a broker. A broker is treating the sale of puppies like a business and in most
all cases, she doesn’t have any knowledge of the background of the puppies. Sometimes it can be hard to distinguish that a seller of
puppies is indeed a broker. If you are following the suggestions here on how to find a responsible breeder, you should not even be at
the point of evaluating a broker. However, if it should happen that you are, it’s best to just move on.

Please be aware of the following RED FLAGS when working with a breeder.

> Breeder is not comfortable with your reasonable questions and is defensive.

> Breeder will not show you the parent’s pedigrees.

> Breeder is not knowledgeable of the Maltese and the kennel names listed within the first 3 generations if the pedigree.

> Breeder’s price is considerably more or considerably less than the prices that other show, reputable breeders
charge for their pet or show quality puppies.

> Breeder agrees to sell you the puppy but gives you nothing in writing if you ask for it.
Most breeders will ask for a deposit (often non-refundable) until the puppy is ready to go home, at no sooner than 12 weeks.

> Puppy is registered with a registry other than the AKC. Make sure you check the AKC suspension list, too. (See link below)
Breeders will try to tell potential buyers all sorts of reasons why they have "chosen" to register their puppies with the alternative
registries, when in reality they may have been suspended from the AKC.

> Breeder is willing to sell the pup without a spay/neuter contract (no breeding.)

> There is not a health guarantee for genetic health problems and a certain amount of time allowed that the buyer can bring the pup
to their own vet for a checkup and returned to the breeder if there are any health concerns.

Other points to help in your search . . .

> Google the name of breeder and kennel. You would be surprised how many hits you can get on discussions about the breeder
on forums like this or even reports on the breeder from the AKC and other agencies.

> The breeder should give you a written check list from their vet indicating the Malt is in good health. My breeder, for example, gave me a document that had about 10+ areas that the vet checked and the results, such as teeth, knees, etc. You should ask for records
of vaccines, worming, etc.

> A good place to start your search for a reputable breeder is the American Maltese Association Breeder’s list. If an AMA breeder
doesn’t have a puppy for you or live near you, they can likely recommend a breeder that they are personally familiar with.
(see links below). Please note that there are responsible Maltese breeders who are not AMA members.

> Maltese are prone to having liver issues. It is a good idea to have a Bile Acid test done before getting the puppy. There is a lot
of information on SM regarding liver shunts and Bile Acid tests, if you do a search on those words. There is some information
saying that the test should be done at 6 months, which of course will be too late for those getting a Maltese at 12 weeks.

> When you are researching and asking questions of a breeder, always be polite and kind. Do NOT treat that reputable breeder
like they are on the "stand" so to speak. Always remain polite and respectful.

> Another thing you might want to ask a breeder, when purchasing a male puppy, is if both testicles have descended. Also for
both males and females, ask if the puppy has an open fontanel.

> It is always “buyer beware”, just recently Lacie's Mom warned us that "bad" breeders will even enter their dogs in a show just
to get a ribbon and a picture taken so they can claim their puppies come from "show dogs".

And of course, it goes without saying ... never, ever buy a puppy from a pet store ... no matter if it is a lovely place, clean and bright ... No responsible breeder sells her puppies to a pet store, so you are almost certainly getting a puppy from a puppymill or a breeder who is not reputable. You'll get all sorts of stories from pet stores about their "select group of breeders" .. Don't buy in to it ... Run, don't walk, away.

Informative Links:

American Maltese Association Breeders List:
By Name: http://americanmaltese.org/ama_breed...ha_listing.htm
By State: http://americanmaltese.org/2009_AMA_Breeders_List.pdf

ASPCA article
http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/...d-on-puppy.html

Humane Society article
http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_adoption_info...od_dog_breeder/

Traits of Responsible Breeders; Traits of BYBs:
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html

Rip Off Report:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/

AKC Suspension List:
http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspindx.htm#a

Prisoners of Greed site with information on researching breeders:
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

Research Puppy's Origin:
http://www.petshoppuppies.org/

Link to petplace.com
http://www.petplace.com/
(Type in the word “breeder” in to the Search to find a list of good articles.)

Foxstone Maltese and Divine Maltese, responsible breeders, have some excellent articles on their sites, as follows:

Information on “Teacup Maltese”... marketing ploy:
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/teacupmaltese.htm

How to find a responsible breeder:
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/reputable_M...se_breeders.htm

The 12-week rule:
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/12weekrule.htm

“I don’t want a show dog, I only want a pet”
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/reputable_M...se_breeders.htm

Divine Maltese article
http://www.divinemaltese.com/maltesepuppycost.html

And of course, you can always help a Maltese in need by getting your Malt through a rescue organization:
Northcentral Maltese Rescue
Southern Comfort Maltese Rescue
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Thanks much all.

I actually live in WA but am having a hard time finding local, well-reputed Maltese breeders.

Oh I am not sure about your area, but I copied and pasted a thread that Starsmom shared the link to you for.

What you may want to do, is contact one of the breeders on the AMA American Maltse Association and ask if they could refer you to someone, or maybe they have a pup available for you.

There are so many options.

Here is the thread that Starsmom pointed out to you. So much great information. It really is so worth the read. It not only will help you, but the puppies and parents.

How to Find and Evaluate Maltese Breeders

Information from various SM members has been incorporated in to my post below. Contributors are Coco, Cosy, I Found Nemo, LadysMom, Mom2Bijou, MySugarBears, Nikki’s Mom, Poppy’s Mommy, Puppy Lover, Sicilian Rose, and Tobys Mom.

Adding a Maltese to your home is an important decision, since your new family member will hopefully be with you for many,
many years. If you take the time to research breeders and only buy from a responsible breeder, you will save yourself heartache
in the long term. Also, if you spend a little more money and buy from a responsible breeder, you will likely have less genetic health issues
and spend less over the lifetime of your Maltese. In many cases a responsible breeder’s prices are the same or less than a pet store's
or backyard breeder's prices.

A lot of people know not to buy from pet stores. They know to buy from a breeder, but it is likely that they don’t know that
there are certain types of breeders that they should avoid.

Most people would not dream of contracting a company to do thousands of dollars worth of home repair without thoroughly checking
the business out. When it comes to puppies, though, people often seem to skip this step and rely on their emotions. The information below should help you in your research to find a responsible breeder.

You may wonder what a responsible breeder is. There are a lot of things to look for but if the first one isn’t met, then you might as well
move on right away. The most important aspect of being a responsible breeder is that the breeder knows the lines behind the Malts
she is breeding. She makes sure that the Malts are good representatives of the breed... being very close to breed standard either by
achieving a championship or being evaluated by Maltese experts. Because she knows the dogs in the parent's pedigree, she is likely aware if there are any genetic diseases in the lines.

Also, in most all cases, a responsible breeder is actively involved in showing her dogs. Because she breeds to improve the breed and
to continually have dogs to show, she will from time to time have puppies that are considered “pet quality” because of minor “faults”.

Types of puppy sellers to avoid:
You may find a home breeder who has bred pet store puppies and you see that the home is clean and the puppies are kept in ideal
conditions. But this is NOT a responsible breeder. Why? Because the breeder likely does not know the Malts that are in the lines of the
breeding pair. She does not know the diseases that may be in the Malts’ lines. Nor is it likely that the Malts will be within standard and
you may end up with a 12-pound Maltese or one with curly hair, or bad temperament, etc. The type of breeder that has just been
described is called a Backyard Breeder [BYB] and even though the puppies are in a home, this is still a BYB.

BYB’s typically breed to earn income off their puppies and usually are not knowledgeable about the breed and they let the puppies go
to their new homes at less than 12 weeks old; and oftentimes the puppies go to their new homes with kennel cough, coccidia, parvo
or other diseases.

Also, don’t buy a puppy from an online site. This is not the same as a breeder’s site where you can learn all about the breeder
and be evaluated by the breeder to see if you are a good fit for one of their puppies. Stay away from online sites that have puppies’
photos lined up as if they were selling a commodity. These types of sites don’t evaluate buyers and they take credit cards without any
sort of vetting process of the buyers. Buying from this type of site is likely to end up badly.

Another type of seller of puppies to avoid is called a broker. A broker does not breed her own dogs. She buys puppies from a
breeder to sell. It is not recommended that you buy from a broker. A broker is treating the sale of puppies like a business and in most
all cases, she doesn’t have any knowledge of the background of the puppies. Sometimes it can be hard to distinguish that a seller of
puppies is indeed a broker. If you are following the suggestions here on how to find a responsible breeder, you should not even be at
the point of evaluating a broker. However, if it should happen that you are, it’s best to just move on.

Please be aware of the following RED FLAGS when working with a breeder.

> Breeder is not comfortable with your reasonable questions and is defensive.

> Breeder will not show you the parent’s pedigrees.

> Breeder is not knowledgeable of the Maltese and the kennel names listed within the first 3 generations if the pedigree.

> Breeder’s price is considerably more or considerably less than the prices that other show, reputable breeders
charge for their pet or show quality puppies.

> Breeder agrees to sell you the puppy but gives you nothing in writing if you ask for it.
Most breeders will ask for a deposit (often non-refundable) until the puppy is ready to go home, at no sooner than 12 weeks.

> Puppy is registered with a registry other than the AKC. Make sure you check the AKC suspension list, too. (See link below)
Breeders will try to tell potential buyers all sorts of reasons why they have "chosen" to register their puppies with the alternative
registries, when in reality they may have been suspended from the AKC.

> Breeder is willing to sell the pup without a spay/neuter contract (no breeding.)

> There is not a health guarantee for genetic health problems and a certain amount of time allowed that the buyer can bring the pup
to their own vet for a checkup and returned to the breeder if there are any health concerns.

Other points to help in your search . . .

> Google the name of breeder and kennel. You would be surprised how many hits you can get on discussions about the breeder
on forums like this or even reports on the breeder from the AKC and other agencies.

> The breeder should give you a written check list from their vet indicating the Malt is in good health. My breeder, for example, gave me a document that had about 10+ areas that the vet checked and the results, such as teeth, knees, etc. You should ask for records
of vaccines, worming, etc.

> A good place to start your search for a reputable breeder is the American Maltese Association Breeder’s list. If an AMA breeder
doesn’t have a puppy for you or live near you, they can likely recommend a breeder that they are personally familiar with.
(see links below). Please note that there are responsible Maltese breeders who are not AMA members.

> Maltese are prone to having liver issues. It is a good idea to have a Bile Acid test done before getting the puppy. There is a lot
of information on SM regarding liver shunts and Bile Acid tests, if you do a search on those words. There is some information
saying that the test should be done at 6 months, which of course will be too late for those getting a Maltese at 12 weeks.

> When you are researching and asking questions of a breeder, always be polite and kind. Do NOT treat that reputable breeder
like they are on the "stand" so to speak. Always remain polite and respectful.

> Another thing you might want to ask a breeder, when purchasing a male puppy, is if both testicles have descended. Also for
both males and females, ask if the puppy has an open fontanel.

> It is always “buyer beware”, just recently Lacie's Mom warned us that "bad" breeders will even enter their dogs in a show just
to get a ribbon and a picture taken so they can claim their puppies come from "show dogs".

And of course, it goes without saying ... never, ever buy a puppy from a pet store ... no matter if it is a lovely place, clean and bright ... No responsible breeder sells her puppies to a pet store, so you are almost certainly getting a puppy from a puppymill or a breeder who is not reputable. You'll get all sorts of stories from pet stores about their "select group of breeders" .. Don't buy in to it ... Run, don't walk, away.

Informative Links:

American Maltese Association Breeders List:
By Name: http://americanmaltese.org/ama_breed...ha_listing.htm
By State: http://americanmaltese.org/2009_AMA_Breeders_List.pdf

ASPCA article
http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/...d-on-puppy.html

Humane Society article
http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_adoption_info...od_dog_breeder/

Traits of Responsible Breeders; Traits of BYBs:
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html

Rip Off Report:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/

AKC Suspension List:
http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspindx.htm#a

Prisoners of Greed site with information on researching breeders:
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

Research Puppy's Origin:
http://www.petshoppuppies.org/

Link to petplace.com
http://www.petplace.com/
(Type in the word “breeder” in to the Search to find a list of good articles.)

Foxstone Maltese and Divine Maltese, responsible breeders, have some excellent articles on their sites, as follows:

Information on “Teacup Maltese”... marketing ploy:
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/teacupmaltese.htm

How to find a responsible breeder:
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/reputable_M...se_breeders.htm

The 12-week rule:
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/12weekrule.htm

“I don’t want a show dog, I only want a pet”
http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/reputable_M...se_breeders.htm

Divine Maltese article
http://www.divinemaltese.com/maltesepuppycost.html

And of course, you can always help a Maltese in need by getting your Malt through a rescue organization:
Northcentral Maltese Rescue
Southern Comfort Maltese Rescue
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allheart: I actually just got done reading that :) Thanks for the link. I looked for the AMA breeders list but there's a fee that must be paid to view it... I may end up paying it if I don't have any luck elsewhere.

I did contact a hobby breeder, Sandy from Foley, Missouri who home raises her dogs She only breeds Maltese, won't let them go before they are 12 weeks, and her puppies are never in kennels. She only has one litter for sale and does not breed often and the pups come with a 2 year congenital health guarentee. All pictures are from inside the home and the pups look happy, not that it means much (they're not set shots with fancy backdrops, costumes, etc. they are pictures of the pups running around, having fun inside thehome)

As a disclaimer, I am not trying to bring bad press on Koenen... I do believe everyone's innocent until proven guilty and by all accounts, the owner seemed like a very genuine, caring person and the puppies do look happy from what pictures I have seen.
 

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allheart: I actually just got done reading that :) Thanks for the link. I looked for the AMA breeders list but there's a fee that must be paid to view it... I may end up paying it if I don't have any luck elsewhere.

I did contact a hobby breeder, Sandy from Foley, Missouri who home raises her dogs She only breeds Maltese, won't let them go before they are 12 weeks, and her puppies are never in kennels. She only has one litter for sale and does not breed often and the pups come with a 2 year congenital health guarentee. All pictures are from inside the home and the pups look happy, not that it means much (they're not set shots with fancy backdrops, costumes, etc. they are pictures of the pups running around, having fun inside thehome)

As a disclaimer, I am not trying to bring bad press on Koenen... I do believe everyone's innocent until proven guilty and by all accounts, the owner seemed like a very genuine, caring person and the puppies do look happy from what pictures I have seen.

Sorry :blush: wasn't sure you saw the link. And I know you are not trying to hurt anyone's reputation, no one is. Just going by what is seen :(.

I've had 5 Maltese in my lifetime.

Flakey - Pet store baby (many issues, but loved and love him dearly, he passed away at age 15)

Tina Marie - Very lovely home breeder, she passed away at age 7

Kara - Very lovely home breeder, she passed away at age 8.

Not trying to scare you, but spare you any heartache.

It really took me so long to understand the whole concept.

Now I have my Mia and Leo and I love them dearly, but they too, are from byb's. But with the help of the forum, I've learned so much.

Here is a link to the AMA listing that you do not have to pay for. It is by state

American Maltese Association

Additionally there are wonderful reputable show breeders not on that list, but it is a great place to start.

And if one is not in your area, but maybe near you, give them a call, and I bet they can help guide you in the right direction.
 

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allheart: I actually just got done reading that :) Thanks for the link. I looked for the AMA breeders list but there's a fee that must be paid to view it... I may end up paying it if I don't have any luck elsewhere.

I did contact a hobby breeder, Sandy from Foley, Missouri who home raises her dogs She only breeds Maltese, won't let them go before they are 12 weeks, and her puppies are never in kennels. She only has one litter for sale and does not breed often and the pups come with a 2 year congenital health guarentee. All pictures are from inside the home and the pups look happy, not that it means much (they're not set shots with fancy backdrops, costumes, etc. they are pictures of the pups running around, having fun inside thehome)

As a disclaimer, I am not trying to bring bad press on Koenen... I do believe everyone's innocent until proven guilty and by all accounts, the owner seemed like a very genuine, caring person and the puppies do look happy from what pictures I have seen.

You looked at the wrong list. The AMA does NOT charge a fee to see their breeder list
American Maltese Association


You asked for an opinion and it was given. As I said I don't know this kennel but based on their site, I wouldn't give them any business EVER. I would take a look at the breeder list and contact some of the breeders in your state. If they can't help you, I'm sure they can direct you to a breeder who can. Good luck!!
 
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