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Lisi's liver enzymes keep slowly crawling up so her vet thought another US would be a sensible step. She is in this AM & will come home at lunch. We had to go to the speciality center as her vet's office no longer does these & we did not want to go back to the hospital where she had both of her surgeries. They did a great job both times for her, but it is not our happy place. She is doing, seemingly, great---not a huge tolerance for exercise, lots of sleeping, good appetite & still mostly a very happy little girl. She celebrated her 10 yrs b-day in early August---a milestone we could only pray for w/out much hope. She is a fighter & as long as she has that spirit & does this well we will fight w/and for her. Who knows what this little girl can do!!!!!
 

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The doctor from the Imaging Specialist just called & she says Lisi has gallstones! She suggested we consider removing the entire gallbladder as one is sitting in the duct. She will leave the decision & other options w/our vet (who is out this week). She suggested the same surgeon that did Lisi's other 2 operations.
They think Lisi is about the cutest little pup they have ever had in there---she said they are reluctant to give her up but we can come & get her! I told you she makes people happy!
 

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I did not mention that one gall-stone is lodged in the main bile duct!
 

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I hope that her gall bladder is not causing her any pain. I had mine out last September and I can still remember the terrible pain I was in. It was awful. Prayers Sandi that she will be deemed strong enough to undergo surgery to remove it. She is just such a special little pup.
 

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I would say "yes, she has pain" but it is not constant as far as I can tell. She has yelped at times & is restless at night but I chalked all up to her cancer. She has been "hiding out" in our BR for a couple of months---I assumed because I keep it dark & it is cool. She is very itchy (sign of g-bladder issues) & lethargic---again I thought it was the cancer. The vet actually suggested the US to see if the cancer had spread to her liver as her liver enzymes were slowly creeping up. I tried the Ursidiol & it caused severe obstipation so I took her off it. It took about a month for her to regulate after that.
 

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Sandi, reach out to Crystal. Before she lost Jett, I think I remember her saying he had something going on with his gall bladder but I could be wrong. Not sure it was stones, though, maybe "sludge."

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Sandi, reach out to Crystal. Before she lost Jett, I think I remember her saying he had something going on with his gall bladder but I could be wrong. Not sure it was stones, though, maybe "sludge."

Kisses to Lisi.
Thank you Maggie---I did not know this so will follow up. Kitzi has sludge in his g-bladder too---his US showed it. We have not done anything about it---not really much that can be done. He is due next week for dental work up so am eager to see how he is doing. As they age it gets harder to read. What took Jett's life? My memory is fading more all the time, but I still drive!
 

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Poor Lisi. How is she doing today?
 

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Wow...Im so sorry Lisi has this going on. I’m learning so much from you~ taking mental note since we are keeping eye on Lacies gallbladder.
How is she doing today and what are you going to do?
 

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She is actually doing better than she should be although I heard her "crying" off & on in the night. She seems to let down her guard when she is sleeping. She is so brave!
 

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Wow...Im so sorry Lisi has this going on. I’m learning so much from you~ taking mental note since we are keeping eye on Lacies gallbladder.
How is she doing today and what are you going to do?
Joannne, does she have sludge. I started treating Kitzi today since he has had it for a while & his vet does not offer any idea of what to do except "watch it & recheck enzyme values in a month." I started him on Liver Defense from AE. Per Crystal I will give it X 3 per day on empty stomach for 30 days & recheck. She uses another product w/it which I don't have yet & will have to research. After 30 days Jett was not clear so she gave him a couple of days rest & did a 2nd 30 days. Right now I just want Kitzi to be well enough to do his dental. He does blood work next week.
 

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Joannne, does she have sludge. I started treating Kitzi today since he has had it for a while & his vet does not offer any idea of what to do except "watch it & recheck enzyme values in a month." I started him on Liver Defense from AE. Per Crystal I will give it X 3 per day on empty stomach for 30 days & recheck. She uses another product w/it which I don't have yet & will have to research. After 30 days Jett was not clear so she gave him a couple of days rest & did a 2nd 30 days. Right now I just want Kitzi to be well enough to do his dental. He does blood work next week.
Lacies GI panel from Texas A&M and CBC indicated inflammation in her gallbladder but it could have been from her chronic pancreatitis. Its something we are going to keep an eye on for now. Something you said makeys me wonder if it is in fact gallbladder issues vs. Pancreatitis is that other than looking uncomfortable (true sign of her pancreatitis)she’s been very itchy and it seems to coincide with when she’s hunched or greasy stools. She goes for a recheck next month.I think she mentioned an ultrasound then.
As far as supplements. I have used some which worsen her condition and others that helped, so I’m trying to be very careful these last few years. Sometimes less is better with her.
 

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She is actually doing better than she should be although I heard her "crying" off & on in the night. She seems to let down her guard when she is sleeping. She is so brave!
Poor baby. Sending my ❤ to sweet Lisi.
 

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Joanne 2 ?---why TX A & M?
2. did she already do an abdominal US? If not, may I kindly suggest that you do that IF her liver enzymes are escalating, she is itchy, has greasy stools, refuses food at times, sometimes abdominal pain (Lisi's is not constant but intermittent). All this time I thought everything was because of the cancer---big mistake on my part. I did just get an email from her normal vet who is on holiday this week---wanting to know how I want to proceed. Because of the location of the "lodged stone" it is imperative that we do something before it becomes completely blocked. Since just removing it won't deal w/the other stones still in the g-bladder our only course of action is to remove the whole thing, I think. The question is ??? is she strong enough to do that now---it has to be done so I have to believe she will do ok. Yikes.
 

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Joanne 2 ?---why TX A & M?
2. did she already do an abdominal US? If not, may I kindly suggest that you do that IF her liver enzymes are escalating, she is itchy, has greasy stools, refuses food at times, sometimes abdominal pain (Lisi's is not constant but intermittent). All this time I thought everything was because of the cancer---big mistake on my part. I did just get an email from her normal vet who is on holiday this week---wanting to know how I want to proceed. Because of the location of the "lodged stone" it is imperative that we do something before it becomes completely blocked. Since just removing it won't deal w/the other stones still in the g-bladder our only course of action is to remove the whole thing, I think. The question is ??? is she strong enough to do that now---it has to be done so I have to believe she will do ok. Yikes.
Texas A&M is a yearly routine test we need to do for IBD. All those symptoms you described with the exception of being constantly itchy( which is new for us) is also symptoms of IBD/pancreatitis. There was a combination of elevated results which wld point towards gallbladder, which is why the followup visit. We didnt do the US at her checkup because we didnt have the results of her test. That said, it wasnt a huge concern with the IMS, so I haven’t worried about it. She has been spot on with everything with both Lacie and Suki for 7 years and she wasnt overly concerned.
As for Lisi, i wonder if they can remove her gallbladder doing laparoscopic surgery. Thats how they did my surgery 20 years ago. If thats the case, it wld be super easy on her little body, compared to cutting her open etc. i cant imagine the doctors not being able to do that. Look at the protein C test, compared to major biopsy, or even the pill they can give thats actually a camera to dx GI disease, inflammation and many more things in the gut. There has to be an easier way for her. Lets pray for laproscopic 🙏🏻 Did they mention that as an option?
 

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I have not yet spoken w/the surgeon---only today heard from Lisi's vet (the imaging doctor is the one who told me that it needs to come out--my normal vet is on holiday until Monday. She (my vet) wanted to know "how do you want to proceed?) In her defense she also has a new baby---she is the best vet around here! I will ask about laparoscopic ---I had thought about that. That is probably a ? for the surgeon who is at the ER clinic. She is a very busy surgeon so I may need my vet to pull some strings to get us in quickly. I really don't want it to wait until it becomes critical. I am praying our surgeon is not on holiday as I do not communicate well w/the other surgeon that they have there.
 

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I have not yet spoken w/the surgeon---only today heard from Lisi's vet (the imaging doctor is the one who told me that it needs to come out--my normal vet is on holiday until Monday. She (my vet) wanted to know "how do you want to proceed?) In her defense she also has a new baby---she is the best vet around here! I will ask about laparoscopic ---I had thought about that. That is probably a ? for the surgeon who is at the ER clinic. She is a very busy surgeon so I may need my vet to pull some strings to get us in quickly. I really don't want it to wait until it becomes critical. I am praying our surgeon is not on holiday as I do not communicate well w/the other surgeon that they have there.
Just doing a quick search brings up this website which says it can be done 🙏🏻 That would awesome and i would imagine a hole lot less money to do than the traditional surgery.
 

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I hope you can get laproscopic surgery for her. That would be less stress on the body.
 

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My vet is on holiday but just got another email from her---she will check w/the surgeon tomorrow to see if Lisi is a candidate for the surgery---is she too small? What about the cancer issue? I am off to bed as last night was hard.
 
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