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Joanne, my own personal feeling is that vets are not nutritionists! They are too busy trying to fix stuff rather than looking at the "why things go wrong." Mostly they are not too scientific & don't have the expertise or time to get involved. I don't blame them---they do their best. Vet school is not big on nutrition. My cardio is excellent & from the get go has encouraged me to consider a change in food from what she calls "boutique food." She has seen lots of dogs w/cardio issues who have been fed grain free. The jury is still out on whether it is the "grain free", lack of taurine or the pea flour that is often used in grain free. It may be one or none or a combo of all these things---research has not been presented that is conclusive. So we, the consumers (owners), are left to scramble & find what works for our tribe--as for what works for one may not work for another.
Don't you wish we got paid by the hour for our research?
 

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On another note---I gave BOTH dogs metacam before bed last night (pre-dosed syringe from vet) &WOW, we all slept! 2 nights sleep in a row & I am feeling like I could run a marathon!
 

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FYI for those who give their Dogs food with Chicken, I learned from a very reliable source that Turkey is a better choice and is easier to digest than Chicken.
Glad that you will be ordering Solid Gold Blendz and it really is not all that big Kibble. If our little 2 1/2 lb Laci can chew it, hopefully Lisi won't have any problems with it. Both the Solid Gold Blendz and the Solid Gold Mighty Mini Salmon are low in fat.
 

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Joanne, my own personal feeling is that vets are not nutritionists! They are too busy trying to fix stuff rather than looking at the "why things go wrong." Mostly they are not too scientific & don't have the expertise or time to get involved. I don't blame them---they do their best. Vet school is not big on nutrition. My cardio is excellent & from the get go has encouraged me to consider a change in food from what she calls "boutique food." She has seen lots of dogs w/cardio issues who have been fed grain free. The jury is still out on whether it is the "grain free", lack of taurine or the pea flour that is often used in grain free. It may be one or none or a combo of all these things---research has not been presented that is conclusive. So we, the consumers (owners), are left to scramble & find what works for our tribe--as for what works for one may not work for another.
Don't you wish we got paid by the hour for our research?
yes…i do wish we got paid for our research!!
I agree that vets know nothing about nutrition. Thats one of the reasons i have stuck with our IMS. She treats each dog individually and actually knows alot about nutrition. I would consider her an alternative doctor.
My biggest question is “why is it years ago we fed our dogs Alpo, mighty dog, over vaccinated, zodiac for flea control and they lived a long full life without issues?”
 

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Just saw your posting, Poor Lisi! I hope she is okay! Try to get laparoscopic surgery, I know my vet wouldn’t do it but I would have to go to a specialist back when I asked when they had Cody’s tumor out and ended up doing regular surgery. What a beautiful brave girl! I feel so bad for her and you! Lisi is such a trooper she’s gone through so much and still has such a beautiful personality! My prayers are with you and her every day!
 

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Lacies GI panel from Texas A&M and CBC indicated inflammation in her gallbladder but it could have been from her chronic pancreatitis. Its something we are going to keep an eye on for now. Something you said makeys me wonder if it is in fact gallbladder issues vs. Pancreatitis is that other than looking uncomfortable (true sign of her pancreatitis)she’s been very itchy and it seems to coincide with when she’s hunched or greasy stools. She goes for a recheck next month.I think she mentioned an ultrasound then.
As far as supplements. I have used some which worsen her condition and others that helped, so I’m trying to be very careful these last few years. Sometimes less is better with her.
Your kids look so sweet, I hope she will be okay. Thoughts & healthy kid wishes sent.❤🐾❤🐾
 

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I thought of Lisi when shopping tonight. Have you used this line before Adorned beast. This particular herb slows cancer supposedly.
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No, I haven't, but Crystal told me to try their liver detox or AE, which I had already started for both Kitzi & Lisi. I will look into it---thanks Joanne! We should start a practice together. I think our minds work alike! & you are nice!
 
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Just saw your posting, Poor Lisi! I hope she is okay! Try to get laparoscopic surgery, I know my vet wouldn’t do it but I would have to go to a specialist back when I asked when they had Cody’s tumor out and ended up doing regular surgery. What a beautiful brave girl! I feel so bad for her and you! Lisi is such a trooper she’s gone through so much and still has such a beautiful personality! My prayers are with you and her every day!
I am working on the laparoscopic angle---should know by next week, hopefully! Thank you so very much for your prayers. I think a lot of what I have been blaming on her cancer may be due to the g-bladder! That would be good news.
 

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Yes…that (chicken fat) is a concern with me too. In fact after sleeping on it, im going to pass on trying it. Whats with the pea flour. Lacie’s cardiologist never mentioned a word about food.

There are some reports that some dogs when feed a grain-free diet that relies on pea protein can develop DCM and heart murmurs. The number of cases is small, and preliminary evidence points to developing a taurine deficiency. Currently, it is believed this happens only in the cases of dogs on grain-free. Despite research, there is so much we do not know about nutrition and health, and every individual is different. Food has weird effects on the body. I can eat starches fine (bread, pasta, potatoes, etc.), but if I eat bread stuffing, I literally gain 2 pounds which I keep on for a week.
 
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There are some reports that some dogs when feed a grain-free diet that relies on pea protein can develop DCM and heart murmurs. The number of cases is small, and preliminary evidence points to developing a taurine deficiency. Currently, it is believed this happens only in the cases of dogs on grain-free. Despite research, there is so much we do not know about nutrition and health, and every individual is different. Food has weird effects on the body. I can eat starches fine (bread, pasta, potatoes, etc.), but if I eat bread stuffing, I literally gain 2 pounds which I keep on for a week.
Walter, the DCM connections has been quietly "walked back" by subsequent FDA statements which were far less publicized: FDA Finds No Evidence that Grain-Free Diets Are Causing Canine Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM)



The third link is to a comprehensive peer-reviewed article in the Journal of Animal Science that presents a lengthy discussion of DCM and also points out the fallacies presented by the initial FDA reports, including sampling bias and disregarding genetic links to DCM. I find this information and research to be far more trustworthy that dog-food-company sponsored "studies" lacking control groups that are fed to the FDA (no pun intended.)
 

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That is good to know! Thanks.
 
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There are some reports that some dogs when feed a grain-free diet that relies on pea protein can develop DCM and heart murmurs. The number of cases is small, and preliminary evidence points to developing a taurine deficiency. Currently, it is believed this happens only in the cases of dogs on grain-free. Despite research, there is so much we do not know about nutrition and health, and every individual is different. Food has weird effects on the body. I can eat starches fine (bread, pasta, potatoes, etc.), but if I eat bread stuffing, I literally gain 2 pounds which I keep on for a week.
Thanks Walter. I thought all those theories were squashed and from what Maggie just posted, they were.
So…for Sandi, I wouldn’t worry so much on that if I were you. Just find a lower fat food they can tolerate and hope for laparoscopic surgery.
 

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I am amazed at how the Metacam has helped both L & K the last few nights! We are actually sleeping & this morning Lisi woke up sort of playful! This just shows me that both have pain in the night. Metacam is supposed to be good for 24 hrs. I don't think it lasts quite that long---at least not w/my pups, but it is a god-send for the moment. Here is hoping my vet is on the ball tomorrow when she comes back to work.
 

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I am amazed at how the Metacam has helped both L & K the last few nights! We are actually sleeping & this morning Lisi woke up sort of playful! This just shows me that both have pain in the night. Metacam is supposed to be good for 24 hrs. I don't think it lasts quite that long---at least not w/my pups, but it is a god-send for the moment. Here is hoping my vet is on the ball tomorrow when she comes back to work.
What are the side effects of Metacam? Dont you worry that it could worsen the condition? Idk…I am kinda antidrug for me and my fluffs, so i would worry but thats just me. Im weird like that 🤷🏻‍♀️
p.s im not judging you…just curious
 

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What are the side effects of Metacam? Dont you worry that it could worsen the condition? Idk…I am kinda antidrug for me and my fluffs, so i would worry but thats just me. Im weird like that 🤷🏻‍♀️
p.s im not judging you…just curious
ALL drugs have side effects & I let things get really bad before reaching for those, both for the pups & for myself! I could not stand to see them in such pain & I was on the edge of what I could manage w/the vet out for the week. Lisi was "crying in her sleep" & Kitzi was pacing, panting & scratching the sheets up. I did feel guilty that I did not want to stay away (due to exhaustion) but I was grateful to have the meds on the other hand. So in answer to your question---YES!
 
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ALL drugs have side effects & I let things get really bad before reaching for those, both for the pups & for myself! I could not stand to see them in such pain & I was on the edge of what I could manage w/the vet out for the week. Lisi was "crying in her sleep" & Kitzi was pacing, panting & scratching the sheets up. I did feel guilty that I did not want to stay away (due to exhaustion) but I was grateful to have the meds on the other hand. So in answer to your question---YES!
Im sorry they are in so much pain. I know how tiring their health can be on you. Hopefully you will hear from your surgeon and get her surgery done asap.
 

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Im sorry they are in so much pain. I know how tiring their health can be on you. Hopefully you will hear from your surgeon and get her surgery done asap.
The meds take the edge off---very minimal amount.
I just came off a 3 wk trip helping our daughter move into her condo in MD. & also to another apt. in VA on the campus where she will be starting seminary (yes, two places to live). It is complicated so don't try to make sense of it---but it was a lot of work! I then came home to our garden/yard to try & play catch up w/all that did not get done while away.
 

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The meds take the edge off---very minimal amount.
I just came off a 3 wk trip helping our daughter move into her condo in MD. & also to another apt. in VA on the campus where she will be starting seminary (yes, two places to live). It is complicated so don't try to make sense of it---but it was a lot of work! I then came home to our garden/yard to try & play catch up w/all that did not get done while away.
She very lucky to have you ❤
 
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