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Has anyone ever had to have exploratory surgery when having your puppy neutered? I purchased my puppy last Friday and I took him to the Vet. to arrange for the neutering and he said that Bijou will have to have a more serious surgery than just a simple neutering. Has anyone else had to go through this? I guess this would have definitely disqualified him for show/stud purposes. Please help. He is due for surgery on August 18th.
 

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Originally posted by adorableaccentsdogbows.com+Jul 15 2005, 02:20 PM-->
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We'll probably need more information, but I am assuming you are referring to undescended testicles?
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I was going to ask the same question. :lol:
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Yes, he isn't sure if they are in the upper or lower abdominal region, but he said that neutering would need to be done, not just as an option but that they would be a major problem later. Poor baby
 

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Originally posted by Scoobydoo@Jul 16 2005, 08:09 AM
I am just wondering how old your puppy is, if you have just purchased him I am thinking he may only be around the 12 weeks age. You still have another 12 weeks if this is the case for him to wait for his surgery. In that time maybe his testicles could still come down. It is not uncommon for them to come down later in some puppies and that may be the case with your puppy if he is still that young.
It is a common condition in toy breeds and can be hereditory so the breeder must have known of the possibility and should have told you of it. From what I have read though, normally you should wait till the puppy is at least 9 months old before neutering to make sure the testicles are not going to descend on their own, then if they haven't you should have them surgically removed.
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He was 5 months old yesterday. The Vet. said that he could not feel them, so he is going to have to do a 3 inch long cut to find out if they are in the lower or upper abdominal cavity. If I had known about this problem I wouldn't have made the two hour trip to see him.
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Jul 15 2005, 02:39 PM
We had an Irish setter with one undescended testicle. They can actually strangulate if they aren't removed and are prone to cancer, I believe. It's a more complicated (and expensive) surgery.

Hopefully Lady M and JMM will jump in here. They will know much much more.

Here's a little more information:

Undescended testicles have an increased tendency to grow tumors over descended testicles. They may also twist on their stalks and cause life-threatening inflammation. For these reasons, neutering is recommended for dogs with undescended testicles. This procedure is more complicated than a routine neuter; the missing testicle can be under the skin along the path it should have descended to the scrotum or it may be inside the abdomen. Some exploration may be needed to find it thus there is often an incision for each testicle. The retained testicle is sterile and under-developed. If there is one descended testicle, this one will be fertile, but since retaining a testicle is a hereditary trait it is important that the male dog not be bred before he is neutered.

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His brother is being kept for show purposes. Will he also be passing this trait on to future generations?
 

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The partner of the breeder just called to ask how Bijou was doing with paper training. I told her about the upcoming exploratory surgery and she thinks that I should wait until he is 8 months old to see if they will drop on their own. She said that she had to wait to show a dog until he was older so he wouldn't be disqualified from future shows. Maybe I should postpone the surgery until October. Help
 

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Originally posted by HarleysMum@Jul 17 2005, 12:46 AM
Harley also has undescended testicles - I've been doing some research & also asking around - a friend of mine recommended x-rays first to determine where they are (we can't feel them) - obvioulsy this is an additional cost, but I'm going to go ahead because then at least the vet will know where they are before the surgery.

Good luck - please keep us posted, I'd be very interested to find out how everything goes - given Harley is going to have the same surgery soon!

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How old is Harley?
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom+Jul 18 2005, 10:49 AM-->
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As far as I understood at the time, undescended testicles is hereditary. I passed along the information to Alex's breeder since she used a new male to breed Alex.
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I've always heard it was genetic, too.

Cryptorchidism: Undescended Testicles
Race Foster, DVM
Marty Smith, DVM
Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc.


At birth, the testicles of a puppy are still within his abdomen. As the animal develops, the testicles slowly 'descend' into the scrotum. In mammals, sperm development does not occur correctly at the high temperatures found within the body. The testicles are therefore held outside of the abdomen and within the scrotum to provide a cooler environment. The production of testosterone is usually not influenced by temperature.
Frequently, owners notice that the puppy they just purchased only has one or possibly no testicles within the scrotum. Although different dates are listed in some of the veterinary literature, both testicles are usually within the scrotum by the time the animal is six weeks of age and they should definitely be there by the time the puppy is eight to ten weeks of age. If one or both testicles are not present at that location by twelve weeks of age, they probably never will be and the animal is said to be suffering from cryptorchidism or 'retained testicles.' This is a disorder that may be passed from generation to generation.

What are the symptoms?

These animals rarely show any abnormalities because of this condition. They have normal activity levels, growth, and behavior. Although fertility may be affected, they will usually show normal breeding behavior and frequently impregnate females, especially when one of the testicles has descended into the scrotum.

What are the risks?

Some researchers believe that dogs with cryptorchidism may have a higher incidence of other testicular diseases. Specifically, these would be cancer and torsion.

What is the management?

Cryptorchid dogs should never be allowed to breed. This is a well-documented genetic trait, passed on to future generations. In addition, because of the potential for an increased incidence of torsion or cancer within the retained testicle, it is strongly recommended that all of these individuals be neutered. The surgery to remove a retained testicle is more involved than a routine neuter. The veterinarian must literally hunt for the testicle, which may be located anywhere from the area around the kidney in the abdomen to the muscle near the groin.


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Do you think that waiting until he is 9 months old would change the surgery? His breeder thinks that if I wait until he is older that it might drop down by itself, something about a ring closing?
 

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Originally posted by LadyMontava@Jul 18 2005, 07:25 PM
if they havent dropped by the time he is 6 months...they arent going to drop.  i wouldnt wait.  sometimes the vet can see the testicles under the skin that are out of the abdomen but not in the scrotum..these of course are easier to find..and have more of a chance of dropping.  but if they are in the abdomen, chances are they arent going anywhere.
the ring your breeder was talking about is the inguinal ring.  there is an inguinal canal that has a "ring" at both ends.  it is almost like a passage way between the inside abdominal wall and the outside abdominal wall.  it is the passage way the testicle goes through to enter the scrotum.  i know probably TMI ...sorry

yes it is genetic, and they should not breed the parents.
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It would be impossible for TMI because I can use all of the information that anyone can give me. Help. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, not knowing where to turn. Thank you for your help. Keep it coming. So do you think that I should go ahead with the surgery for August 18th?
 
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