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So, about 2 weeks ago I had that scare with Oliver. He was vomiting a lot and pooping blood. Took him to the vet and they decided it was an over growth of bad bacteria. For the last 2 or 3 days he has had looser and looser stool and today it has been water (2x) (his poop never got back to "normal"). He threw-up 3 times this morning before breakfast but none since then. Someone from the vet finally just called me back and said to feed him rice for dinner and breakfast and to call back tomorrow... the vet we saw last time is off today. I'm not sure what is going on. I asked if maybe he needed a longer dose of antibiotics but she didnt seem to think that was it. I have ordered pro-biotics, they should be here any day.

He is eating, drinking, playing like normal. Any one have a similar experience or ideas on what might be going on?
 

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I'm sorry that Oliver is sick again. I hope he feels better soon.
 

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Did you ever switch his food? What food is he eating?
As soon as we got him he started eating the all stages food that Mindi eats. The breeder had him on Royal Canin Puppy. They eat Nature's Recipe Salmon & Sweet Potato. Mindi has allergies. It took me almost 3 years to find a food she wasnt allergic to (pulled out her hair and chewed her skin 'til she bled. We had to go in for monthly cortisone shots). Still not sure what it was but I wanted to stick with this because it is working. It only gets 3 1/2 stars on the pet food advisor but that is because of one ingredient and my vet said that it is fine in the doses in dog food. I dont think it is the food since we've had him for almost 3 months. I will feed them different foods if I have to but I'll have to separate them behind closed doors. They take turns, switching back and forth between food bowls...they share.
 

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Camille,

It certainly is not normal and it could be just a gastric issue, but if it has lasted this long and if your vet is not finding out what is happening, it may be time to go to a board certified internist for a second opinion. It can not be very comfortable for little Oliver.

I hope Oliver does better.
 

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The vomiting would worry me and it sounds to me like the food is the culprit.

If he was on metronidazole (antibiotic) and once you finished the symptoms came back, I would suspect that there is more going on that the antibiotic just is masking.

I would take the advice that Walter offered to you and get to the bottom of this by seeing an IMS. The gi track is having issues digesting the food- You could test for SIBO- with a simple blood test.

Make sure he is drinking and stays hydrated.
 

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This is not normal. Probiotics is a long term thing, not short term. True, the bacteria will return to normal but if anything is throwing it off like stress or a sensitivity it will go right back in a hurry.

Grain can upset digestive systems and rice is a grain. Instead of a bland diet of chicken and rice, holistic vets now recommend chicken or turkey and pumpkin. The pumpkin also helps with the digestive system.

If he improves on the bland diet and returns to vomiting and diarrhea on food, then the problem is the food. But you should stay on probiotics long term.
 

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Too many symptoms too often. So don't change anything again. I'd get a second opinion. Do you have a big emergency vet hospital? Ours has specialists there.
 

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Alright, Oliver vomited 3 more times this morning between 5:30-6:30am. Just little gags with foam but still not normal. Now he as blood in his stool again. I called my vet she said to being him in and leave him. After I got off the phone with them I called the internist. They said I would have to have a referral from my vet and that she wouldn't be back in the office until Monday. My vet said she didnt think we needed to be referred yet that there was still plenty she could do. I dont know what that means. I dont want to waste time and money... but if the internist wont be in until Monday, I guess I dont have any other options. So off to the vet we go again. Cross your fingers for little Oliver. I hope we can get to the bottom of this. His tummy is making all kinds of gurgly, squirty noises. I'm am sure he feels like crap.
 

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Too many symptoms too often. So don't change anything again. I'd get a second opinion. Do you have a big emergency vet hospital? Ours has specialists there.
Just saw this post. That is the vet I called for a second opinion this morning. They have the internist. They wont see us without a referral and my vet said she doesnt think a referral is necessary yet.
 

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Just saw this post. That is the vet I called for a second opinion this morning. They have the internist. They wont see us without a referral and my vet said she doesnt think a referral is necessary yet.
It could very well be just a tummy/allergy issue. My concern is that it could be a bit more serious and it is better to catch things before they escalate. Not to add to your stress, but I would be concerned with any medical professional that does not encourage a second opinion. My vet has said, I don't think test a, b or c will show much, but if you want to do them, fine, but they may not be the best use of your money. When the vet seemed unsure, and I suggested I take Luck to Tufts, he was all for it. When I was not completely convinced with what Tufts suggested, he encouraged me to see what Cornell thinks and then take all the opinions and decide what you think is best. He even wrote a synopsis of what his thoughts were to include in the package of Luck's medical records.

Most vet hospitals encourage a referral but don't require one. Again, Oliver may have something simple - and certainly hope that is the case.
 

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One other thought...is the vomiting usually in the morning? Is it yellow?
A lot of little dogs will vomit bile in the morning when it has been too long since their last meal. Daisy used to do it when she was a puppy and I had to give her a little bedtime snack.
Just thought I would mention it in case it helps. You could have more than one thing going on at the same time.
 

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Lola having a few bouts like this. If I remember correctly, the holistic vet ended up giving her metronidazole followed by a strong vet probiotic, usually the probiotic works fine on it's own for tummy but not that time.

In the end I changed her food to homecooked and have never had another issue with her tummy, she doesn't do well on kibble at all, tried quite a few brands. I am wondering if some dogs just don't do well on additives/preservatives etc.
 

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One other thought...is the vomiting usually in the morning? Is it yellow?
A lot of little dogs will vomit bile in the morning when it has been too long since their last meal. Daisy used to do it when she was a puppy and I had to give her a little bedtime snack.
Just thought I would mention it in case it helps. You could have more than one thing going on at the same time.
It is only in the morning. I thought the same thing because Mindi does the same thing if she goes too long without food. I moved his dinner time a little later. And now that he is pooping blood, I really dont know... He didnt eat his food this morning. The vet gave him an antinausea shot and I offered him the wet food and he still isnt eating. I'm about to give him the ulcer med and then wait an hour and try to feed him again.
 

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Lola having a few bouts like this. If I remember correctly, the holistic vet ended up giving her metronidazole followed by a strong vet probiotic, usually the probiotic works fine on it's own for tummy but not that time.

In the end I changed her food to homecooked and have never had another issue with her tummy, she doesn't do well on kibble at all, tried quite a few brands. I am wondering if some dogs just don't do well on additives/preservatives etc.
He took 8 days of metronidazole already. They just gave him another 8 days worth. The probiotics that someone on SM recommended should be here by Monday. I dont know if it is "strong". I am going to start both of them on it and use it daily.
 

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ARGGGHH! I was at petsmart looking at dog food for over an hour. I called 3 different companies and my vet about 6 times. I finally decided on Nutro Dry puppy small breed. My vet liked that one and it has a 4 star rating. I get home and I realized I grabbed the freaking adult instead of puppy! Ahhhh, now I have to drive 15 minutes back to petsmart to swap them out. I guess I can do it this weekend. The vet gave us a 3 cans of special GI wet food to use for now.
 
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