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And I thought I would mention he has gained .5 pounds since we were at the vet 2 weeks ago. He is now 2 days shy of 6 months old and weighs 8 pounds!! He is going to be a big boy. He has all of his adult teeth and only retained his 2 upper canines. She said to give them another month or two before we think about having them removed. She says she prefers to wait on neutering...so all good there!
 

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first; Your vet really needs to do a full blood panel on Oliver
second: start keeping up his electrolytes with unflavored Pedi lite ensure its room temp when giving it to him
Third: the strongest probiotic that I use on my two is the forti flora .........give one whole package to him until the blood is gone and poop is normal...then you can get away with 1/2 package
fourth; metronidazole is ok but make sure he eats something with it. You can use banana baby food its low oxylate and can aide in calming the stomach
fifth: for the vomiting ask the vet for sucralfate its great to coat the stomach and the intestines. but will need this on an empty stomach.
sixth: Since he is on strong meds, you may want to ask the vet to give him zentonil plus once you find out whats going on and after the rounds of meds- this hasz vitamins and milk thistle to detoxify the system
seven: start looking into a new food

this is what I am feeding;
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.completeandbalanced.com%2F&ei=VkPmVIfmHZL3ggSwi4H4Aw&usg=AFQjCNFlVQPG-7IEktPafebxT-JScZk87g&bvm=bv.85970519,d.eXY

I am doing the allergen food; Red potatoes, sole fish, safflower oil, salmon oil and the hilarys blend powder

Its also a good idea to get a thermometer and ky jelly to take his temperature and check the color of his gums!

This is from some one that has gone through **** and back and well at this point who knows what the cards hold for us!


Pray that things will be ok <3
 

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first; Your vet really needs to do a full blood panel on Oliver
second: start keeping up his electrolytes with unflavored Pedi lite ensure its room temp when giving it to him
Third: the strongest probiotic that I use on my two is the forti flora .........give one whole package to him until the blood is gone and poop is normal...then you can get away with 1/2 package
fourth; metronidazole is ok but make sure he eats something with it. You can use banana baby food its low oxylate and can aide in calming the stomach
fifth: for the vomiting ask the vet for sucralfate its great to coat the stomach and the intestines. but will need this on an empty stomach.
sixth: Since he is on strong meds, you may want to ask the vet to give him zentonil plus once you find out whats going on and after the rounds of meds- this hasz vitamins and milk thistle to detoxify the system
seven: start looking into a new food

this is what I am feeding;
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.completeandbalanced.com%2F&ei=VkPmVIfmHZL3ggSwi4H4Aw&usg=AFQjCNFlVQPG-7IEktPafebxT-JScZk87g&bvm=bv.85970519,d.eXY

I am doing the allergen food; Red potatoes, sole fish, safflower oil, salmon oil and the hilarys blend powder

Its also a good idea to get a thermometer and ky jelly to take his temperature and check the color of his gums!

This is from some one that has gone through **** and back and well at this point who knows what the cards hold for us!


Pray that things will be ok <3

Ok, thanks! He hasn't had any more diarrhea since this morning but the vet couldnt get a sample...she said he was "empty" and he hasnt ate anything. No more vomiting. She said he is not dehydrated this time. I suppose I can give him the pedialyte anyways. He is already taking the sucralfate.

I just talked to the girl I got him from and asked if she had any problems with him... loose stool, vomiting, etc. She said he had loose stool when she had him. They took him to the vet and he was given some kind of paste/probiotic. She only had him 5 weeks before she got rid of him. When I called her previous vet to check his health they failed to mention this. He had loose stool when I got him but I thought that was because I had changed his food. Now I'm thinking this may be an ongoing problem he has had his whole life.... and it is just now getting "bad". I called my vet and let them know all of that. They have the previous vets info so they can get the info and meds he took before.

I do have a thermometer that I used on the kids when they were babies...I can use that one for Oliver since my kids are too old for an anal thermometer now. His temp was normal last time and this time (101).

His poop changes daily, am to pm. One time it will be tootsie rolls, then brown water, then tootsie rolls, then like soft serve ice cream. I really dont know... If this round of meds and food change doesnt help I am going to tell her I need the referral to the internist. It hurts my heart to think he may have been having a tummy ache his whole life.

Thanks for that link, I'm about to watch the video.
 

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I buy this probiotic for when the girls have any tummy issues. Haven't needed it for a long time though.
http://www.amazon.com/Natren-CanineDophilus-Probiotic-Gel-Syringe/dp/B001E14262

It isn't the one from the vet though, which was over $40 a tube.

Without going through the threads, I am pretty sure you said ruled out for parasites, but sometime parasites aren't easily detected and I am wondering about giardia. has he been specifically tested for that? those are the symptoms, he would need panacur as well as the metronidazole for that.
 

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I buy this probiotic for when the girls have any tummy issues. Haven't needed it for a long time though.
Amazon.com : Natren CanineDophilus Probiotic Gel - 20 ml Syringe : Pet Probiotic Nutritional Supplements : Pet Supplies

It isn't the one from the vet though, which was over $40 a tube.

Without going through the threads, I am pretty sure you said ruled out for parasites, but sometime parasites aren't easily detected and I am wondering about giardia. has he been specifically tested for that? those are the symptoms, he would need panacur as well as the metronidazole for that.
Well, poo. That isnt the probiotic I ordered. If the one I ordered doesnt help, I'll try that one. Oliver has had 2 negative parasite test but he was "empty" today from the diarrhea. She couldnt get a sample. She gave me something to collect a sample and bring in. She wants to check one more time. She said there can be false-negatives, like you said. I already have some Pyrantel pamoate. It is left over from when my son had pin worms but it is the same exact thing used for cats, dogs and horses. I could call and ask the vet about a dosage of that. Do you think that would work??
 

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Well, poo. That isnt the probiotic I ordered. If the one I ordered doesnt help, I'll try that one. Oliver has had 2 negative parasite test but he was "empty" today from the diarrhea. She couldnt get a sample. She gave me something to collect a sample and bring in. She wants to check one more time. She said there can be false-negatives, like you said. I already have some Pyrantel pamoate. It is left over from when my son had pin worms but it is the same exact thing used for cats, dogs and horses. I could call and ask the vet about a dosage of that. Do you think that would work??
Sorry, no idea about that, the only thing I have heard for giardia is panacur.
 

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I went through something very similar with Tessa until I figured out two things. First, she can't tolerate chicken, and second, she has IBD/IBS/GERD. My holistic vet made the second diagnosis and put her on a supplement regimen that has worked beautifully for almost two years.
 

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I went through something very similar with Tessa until I figured out two things. First, she can't tolerate chicken, and second, she has IBD/IBS/GERD. My holistic vet made the second diagnosis and put her on a supplement regimen that has worked beautifully for almost two years.
How did they diagnose IBD/GERD? What test should I be asking for or what should I try? They are currently eating a salmon, sweet potato, pumpkin food. The vet said it could be that salmon is a fatty meat but the overall fat content of the food isnt high...I dont know what to do.
 

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Dr Becker recommends the ELIZA test for giardia. I think it could be worth doing as it could come and go and cause a lot more issues down the line, if that is the problem. I would send you the link but can't figure out how to do on iPhone.
 

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Dr Becker recommends the ELIZA test for giardia. I think it could be worth doing as it could come and go and cause a lot more issues down the line, if that is the problem. I would send you the link but can't figure out how to do on iPhone.
I googled it. I will call my vet tomorrow and suggest this. I have to take in a fecal sample anyways.
 

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If things become normal on the Rx diet your vet gave you, it is okay to feel this for several weeks to let everything to settle down before switching to a new diet. You may not love the ingredients, but it is balanced and if he does well with it...its worth letting his gut get back to normal for a bit.
 

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Sorry first time back on this thread @ hospital yesterday with my daughter. Well Poo you need a referral that's terrible. I've gone to an internist & ophthalmologist without one here 😱. Also did not tell my normal vet & still they sent over the records instantly. Okay this sounds chronic and with the blood in stool serious. Insist on the referral & copies of tests already done & get to the internist this upcoming week. Always ask for a copy of test results for yourself & keep a file @ home. This is like a mechanic who keeps changing out parts until the car runs😱. Diagnosis is everything! You need another opinion & your vet should of said sure if you want one here it is. They can make mistakes. My regular vet Office here has two vets & I've seen them both. I called the office recently because my dog's vaccine was due and asked for a titer. The vet there @ the time assured me no need that the vaccine would not hurt my dog. The dog is two. I said no I wanted a titer. The next day I was out doing errands & stopped @ the vet office. The other vet came out and I mentioned I wanted a titer & he said sure. Today the vet called me with the results ( the one who I spoke with first) & Cody does not need the vaccine. Tomorrow I'm going by & picking up the results.
 

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How did they diagnose IBD/GERD? What test should I be asking for or what should I try? They are currently eating a salmon, sweet potato, pumpkin food. The vet said it could be that salmon is a fatty meat but the overall fat content of the food isnt high...I dont know what to do.
He diagnosed it based on symptoms, response to pressure points, stomach sounds, breath smell and observation. He said to confirm would require invasive tests under sedation so he used Holistic supplements targeted at those ailments and tweaked the dosage based on how she responded. her bloodwork is perfect so we know there are no issues there. He said as long as she continues to do well we continue this course of treatment. And she is doing great.
 

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If things become normal on the Rx diet your vet gave you, it is okay to feel this for several weeks to let everything to settle down before switching to a new diet. You may not love the ingredients, but it is balanced and if he does well with it...its worth letting his gut get back to normal for a bit.
Ok, thanks! So much info to process. So many test to ask for. Keep the info coming. I've got to take a fecal sample in to her soon, tomorrow I guess. He has had diarrhea tonight, no blood visible. He has been vomiting off and on. Not a lot, I think the food is just not sitting well this time. Or maybe because they didnt give me the anti-nausea pills this time. They did give him an injection, I dont know how long it lasts though. If he isnt doing better by Monday I am going to politely insist that I need a referral to see the internist on Monday.
 

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Ok, thanks! So much info to process. So many test to ask for. Keep the info coming. I've got to take a fecal sample in to her soon, tomorrow I guess. He has had diarrhea tonight, no blood visible. He has been vomiting off and on. Not a lot, I think the food is just not sitting well this time. Or maybe because they didnt give me the anti-nausea pills this time. They did give him an injection, I dont know how long it lasts though. If he isnt doing better by Monday I am going to politely insist that I need a referral to see the internist on Monday.
I really do think you need another opinion. I would talk to the vet tomorrow not Monday about seeing an internist or if there's a good vet school near you or internist with a good reputation, just get in touch with him/her. Often it takes a few days to get an appt with specialists so if you call tomorrow it might take until Monday or Tuesday. This is a long time for him to be sick considering it was going on with the person you got him from. A neighbor's dog did have giardia and was quite ill so a good thing to run that test. I think they had to worry to about it being contagious if I remember correctly but not sure.
 

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I really do think you need another opinion. I would talk to the vet tomorrow not Monday about seeing an internist or if there's a good vet school near you or internist with a good reputation, just get in touch with him/her. Often it takes a few days to get an appt with specialists so if you call tomorrow it might take until Monday or Tuesday. This is a long time for him to be sick considering it was going on with the person you got him from. A neighbor's dog did have giardia and was quite ill so a good thing to run that test. I think they had to worry to about it being contagious if I remember correctly but not sure.
I agree. Now he has blood in his stool again. More than before. Still throwing up. He really doesnt feel good. I'll get the referral tomorrow and try to schedule an appointment at the internist ASAP.
 

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Could it be?:

Canine Bloody Stool - Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis (HGE)


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That kind of sounds like a catch-all diagnoses but I dont know. Sounds like what he has and that is the exact treatment he received both times, metronidazole, sucralfate, anti-vomiting meds. I am at home all day. He doesnt seem stressed or anxious. I dont think he has ate anything unusual, 2 negative parasite test. I really dont know. I am hoping it will be his food and I can get him all better with a diet change.
 
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