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As you guys know I purchased Maya from a pet store. I am crazy and just contacted Maya's breeder! They had given me her name and where she lives when I bought her so I just looked up her phone #. The funny thing is that it is such a small town that I had called the wrong # (I guess the phone book online was wrong) and the man that answered gave me her right #! GOSH I feel so much better, she was from kentucky , a very small town and I got to ask her ALL the questions that I felt I needed too. She gave me her email address so I emailed her pics of mayah and I gave her my number! She was very sweet and Maya's mom only has had 3 litters. She also breeds silkies and said she would send me pictures of her kennel. She says that most breeders in her area breed in above ground cages and that hers get full range of their farm. I asked her why she sold to brokers and she said that their isnt a demand for dogs in her area since their are very few people and she seemed a little naive because I told her how much I paid for Maya and she was shocked bc she said she sold her for like $300!! She owns 2 females and 1 male which I will get pictures of...gosh I know that Im sure she isnt some reputable breeder but it just makes me feel SO much better to have contact with Maya's breeder, it gives me a sense of closure. I will now be able to email her back and forth which makes me feel good. She said out of her 2 litters she sold Maya to a broker but her friend has Maya's sister from the other litter and that she only got to 4 pounds even though Maya's parents are 5-6 because I was telling her how small Maya is! She also gets inspected, usda or something....anyways just wanted to share with you guys



Also, I have new pictures up from 2 nights ago if you guys are interested to take a look


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http://www.yorkiesdirect.com/forum/photos/...asp?albumid=636


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She's just so sweet looking. I think the tear staining is from crying because she doesn't have anymore than what was already there. I think you did the right thing by calling her. How old is maya and how much does she weigh? Noriko was 1.3 lbs at 10 wks. She use to fit in the palm of my hands. She's about 4 lbs now at 10 mos.

I can't believe she only charged the broker $300. Does she have a website?
 

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I am so glad that you found the breeder. It does put your heart at rest to at least know that your pup was loved and her mom cared for. I read the stories about puppymills and petshops, too and it is so heartbreaking! I went to two different wonderful well known breeders to get my boys cause I was so afraid not to, but really, if the pup came from someone who loved and cared for her dogs, what is wrong with that?
(Just my opinion--don't shoot me)
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Originally posted by Quincymom@Oct 29 2004, 09:44 AM
I am so glad that you found the breeder. It does put your heart at rest to at least know that your pup was loved and her mom cared for. I read the stories about puppymills and petshops, too and it is so heartbreaking! I went to two different wonderful well known breeders to get my boys cause I was so afraid not to, but really, if the pup came from someone who loved and cared for her dogs, what  is wrong with that?
(Just my opinion--don't shoot me)
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Thanks guys for the support
Well Maya is right over 17 weeks (a little over 4 months) and weighs around 2 pounds so we will see....She has gotten a little bigger since we got her, mainly because she was starving! I just filled out the report at nopuppymills.com so we will see but her breeder seemed very nice ALTHOUGH I am not fond of anyone who would sell to a broker. I just DONT get it, she isnt making money, she cant be so why would she do it? Is she naive because she comes from such a small town? Obviously she loves her own dogs, but somethine is missing if she can go to bed at night knowing that her puppy is at a pet store? For some reason I feel like she didnt know how bad a pet store is? Or maybe she thinks that the broker is buying it to sell? Who knows...I wanted to be nice to her because I did wake her up (whoops, big west coast time difference) and she was still AMAZINGLY nice, nicer than the breeders we got Rocky and Haley from, and she didnt HAVE to talk to me, ya know? I just dont understand how she could give a puppy away to the broker at 9 weeks old, I guess thats better than most, some give them away at as young as 5 WEEKS! We got Rocky at 7 weeks and although that was way too young we were able to raise him and he really does have such a uniqie personality. Haley we got at 6 months and she is very anti-social and she came from Janet Jackson's high steppin dogs, which are a good pedigree of yorkies! You just never know....Maya has the best temperment out of any of them, pretty interesting! I emailed her so we will see if she emails me back and sends me pics or comments on the pics I sent her. I havent been taking care of Maya's tear stains as much as I could (maybe once a day, sometimes I skip a day) but I just cant help it, I dont want to bother her when she is having so much fun which she has been missing out on when she has been stuck in a cage! she follows Rocky (my big yorkie) EVERYWHERE! And she is the only one of them that will sleep a full night with us, Haley is scared of heights and every since she got spayed has become a little growly and Rocky like A LOT of room lol but comes up in the middle of the night when he gets cold.
 

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Brooke,
I'm so glad that you have kept working on this and that you got to talk to the breeder. It probably isn't likely, but maybe she'll do some checking and decide that selling to brokers isn't the way to go. Anyway, I stand by my original thought - no matter how we feel about puppymills and pet stores it isn't the animal's fault. I can completely understand why you couldn't leave that store without her. Maya is a lucky girl. BTW, your Yorkie is just darling. Are they still getting along?
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Originally posted by msmagnolia@Oct 29 2004, 10:25 AM
Brooke,
I'm so glad that you have kept working on this and that you got to talk to the breeder.  It probably isn't likely, but maybe she'll do some checking and decide that selling to brokers isn't the way to go.  Anyway, I stand by my original thought - no matter how we feel about puppymills and pet stores it isn't the animal's fault.  I can completely understand why you couldn't leave that store without her.  Maya is a lucky girl.  BTW, your Yorkie is just darling.  Are they still getting along?
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All 3 of them are very great buddies now which makes me SO happy! We love having 3! They all have different and unique personalities which compliment eachother. Haley who is 3 pounds is a mommy's girl, Rocky who is a little 10 pounds is part labrador, always with a toy in his mouth lol! And Maya is so playful and beats them up
, we are having a blast!! I mainly wanted to make sure that none of her puppies had any major genetic defects. She has no liability to tell me and I told her I wanted to know so I would be prepared and she says none of her malt pets have any so who knows...
 

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Originally posted by BrookeB676@Oct 29 2004, 01:13 PM
I havent been taking care of Maya's tear stains as much as I could (maybe once a day, sometimes I skip a day) but I just cant help it, I dont want to bother her when she is having so much fun which she has been missing out on when she has been stuck in a cage! she follows Rocky (my big yorkie) EVERYWHERE! <div align="right">index.php?act=findpost&pid=13936
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She is indeed a real cutie. Just an FYI... My Kallie had tear stains as bad as Maya's. I switched to purified water and food with no coloring. And some of the problem could have been from teething. As of now, she has almost zero tear stains... (her photo is the one in my profile.) I never bother with this area at all. It just magically disappeared!
 

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She probably is teething, so don't worry too much with the tearstaining. And maybe, somehow, you can slip in about how badly maya was treated. Like say I felt so bad for her in the cage for a whole month and fed wrong. Sorta non chalantly. See if she feels bad or not. If she feels bad, she won't sell from a broker anymore.
 

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Brooke, I don't want to disillusion you, but your Maya is a puppy mill dog.

The reason the woman you spoke to gets USDA inspected is because she IS a puppy mill. The USDA is the United States Department of Agriculture and these mills come under their jurisdiction because of the Animal Welfare Act. They only monitor (if you can call it that) operations that manufactor a huge volume of puppies a year. It's big business - that's why the government has attempted to have some control over it.

Kentucky and it's neighboring states is the heart of puppy mill country. If you have a picture of an idylic little farm with dogs running free, forget about it. These places are puppy factories. The USDA has regulations about cage size, how many cages can be stacked on top of one another, having drinking water available, etc. The biggest problem is that there just aren't enough inspectors to enforce the Animal Welfare ACt so these dogs are raised and bred in deplorable conditions. The millers just send in their annual reports and are pretty much left alone for the most part, unless someone complains to the Federal government. Unlikely that would happen since it sounds like this is a regular business in this small farming town. The Amish country in Pennsylvania is big puppy mill country, too.

So don't believe a word this woman told you. She's certainly not going to tell you Maya was born in a filthy cage full of feces to a mother who'd had a litter every year by casearian section for 5 years. And to tell you Maya hasn't inherited any genetic defects is an outright lie. These dogs are bred to brothers, sisters, whatever will reproduce (JS's dogs were given Viagra!) with not a thought for genetic soundness. Do you honestly think she is spending upwards of a $1,000 a year on each dog for genetic testing before breeding only to turn around and sell them for a couple hundred dollars each?

That's the one part I believe. I'm sure she was pretty surprised to hear that once her pups are put it a wire cage with as many others as will fit, thrown into a truck and taken to the big cities by brokers, they are sold at pet shops to unsuspecting people for $1500.

There is a list somewhere on the internet of all the mills registered with the USDA that you can actually look at by state and individual facilities and see how many inspections there have been, the sanitation grade, etc. I'll try to find it.
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Oct 29 2004, 11:30 AM
Brooke, I don't want to disillusion you, but your Maya is a puppy mill dog.

The reason the woman you spoke to gets USDA inspected is because she IS a puppy mill. The USDA is the United States Department of Agriculture and these mills come under their jurisdiction because of the Animal Welfare Act. They only monitor (if you can call it that) operations that manufactor a huge volume of puppies a year. It's big business - that's why the government has attempted to have some control over it.

Kentucky and it's neighboring states is the heart of puppy mill country. If you have a picture of an idylic little farm with dogs running free, forget about it. These places are puppy factories. The USDA has regulations about cage size, how many cages can be stacked on top of one another, having drinking water available, etc. The biggest problem is that there just aren't enough inspectors to enforce the Animal Welfare ACt so these dogs are raised and bred in deplorable conditions. The millers just send in their annual reports and are pretty much left alone for the most part, unless someone complains to the Federal government. Unlikely that would happen since it sounds like this is a regular business in this small farming town. The Amish country in Pennsylvania is big puppy mill country, too.

So don't believe a word this woman told you. She's certainly not going to tell you Maya was born in a filthy cage full of feces to a mother who'd had a litter every year by casearian section for 5 years. And to tell you Maya hasn't inherited any genetic defects is an outright lie. These dogs are bred to brothers, sisters, whatever will reproduce (JS's dogs were given Viagra!) with not a thought for genetic soundness. Do you honestly think she is spending upwards of a $1,000 a year on each dog for genetic testing before breeding only to turn around and sell them for a couple hundred dollars each?

That's the one part I believe. I'm sure she was pretty surprised to hear that once her pups are put it a wire cage with as many others as will fit, thrown into a truck and taken to the big cities by brokers, they are sold at pet shops to unsuspecting people for $1500.

There is a list somewhere on the internet of all the mills registered with the USDA that you can actually look at by state and individual facilities and see how many inspections there have been, the sanitation grade, etc. I'll try to find it.
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well Im sure you are right and like I said I dont think fondly of anyone who would sell their pups to a broker but atleast it does give me closure on Maya's "roots" I suppose...I filled out a report on nopuppymills.com so we will see what it says but I love Maya no matter what and dont justify from buying from a petstore, I was just surprised that she talked to me and even cared that i was concerned.
 

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Brooke,
Even if Maya may have came from puppy mill, you never know, she may become the most wonderful and smartest dog ever.

Being in a Petstore may have been better than running loose on a farm, for you both found each other. The love she will receive will be worth it all and shes home now.
 

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i found this womens phone number should i call her i am dying to know about maxis background and if all the information on him is true and also when and if i decide i want a brother or sister i want from her
 

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Maxi's Mom, why would you even consider getting another puppy from a puppy mill? Maxi is just a puppy now so you have no idea what kind of genetic defects he may have inherited which will surface as he ages. As I said in my introduction, my Lady is a rescue, but she is from a pet shop/puppy mill. She was perfectly healthy until age 4. Then she started having seizures. A year and 1/2 later she was diagnosed with diabetes. She also has such severe arthritis that when she had xrays done last year my vet commented that she had the joints of an elderly dog, that if she were human she would have to be in a nursing home. She is only 8&1/2 now and I treasure each and every day with her, knowing that it is unlikely that she will ever reach the normal life expectancy for Maltese of 14 or so years. I also spend about $150 a month just on medications and diabetic supplies. This does not include food, vet visits, etc. I just spent $300 at the vet's a few weeks ago....

Why oh why would you ever knowingly take that on? Twice? Why you very well may face a simliar situation with Maxi down the line, why wouldn't you do the very best you can to find the healthiest puppy from the most reputable dealer you can afford next time?
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Nov 1 2004, 01:02 PM
Maxi's Mom, why would you even consider getting another puppy from a puppy mill? Maxi is just a puppy now so you have no idea what kind of genetic defects he may have inherited which will surface as he ages. As I said in my introduction, my Lady is a rescue, but she is from a pet shop/puppy mill. She was perfectly healthy until age 4. Then she started having seizures. A year and 1/2 later she was diagnosed with diabetes. She also has such severe arthritis that when she had xrays done last year my vet commented that she had the joints of an elderly dog, that if she were human she would have to be in a nursing home. She is only 8&1/2 now and I treasure each and every day with her, knowing that it is unlikely that she will ever reach the normal life expectancy for Maltese of 14 or so years. I also spend about $150 a month just on medications and diabetic supplies. This does not include food, vet visits, etc. I just spent $300 at the vet's a few weeks ago....

Why oh why would you ever knowingly take that on? Twice? Why you very well may face a simliar situation with Maxi down the line, why wouldn't you do the very best you can to find the healthiest puppy from the most reputable dealer you can afford next time?
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First of all before you scold me i thought you just listed breeders i didnt know that was a puppymill and second please dont scare me about maxi so far almost 14 months later he is fine i got maxi at 10 weeks and i take wonderful wonderful care of him i dont want to hear that he may have defects down the line , thats like you telling me that there may be something wrong with my child down the road
Thats what maxi is to me ...Im sorry you have had a problem but thus far my baby is healthy and happy! regardless of where he came from he is loved he is taking care of and further more ...if you look at maxi he is a beautiful maltese
my groomer and vet told me he should be a show dog he has beautiful teeth great body structure and a terrific personality so if Maxi is what puppy mills sell
oh well i got lucky!
 
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