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This was very upsetting for me today. I had gone shopping this morning & had to walk past a puppy store. Of course I looked in the window & saw many puppies. But, what got me was there was a young lady standing at the door waiting for the store to open she was in her early 20's I stopped & ask her was she getting a puppy she said yes & I asked which one she said the maltese at that point I had to follow her in the store & continued talking to her. She had just moved out of her parents home on her on & wanted a puppy. I ask her if she knew anything about the breed she said no. The puppy was only 8 weeks old I tried to advise her not to make the purchase but she was sold. So I gave her my card with my e-mail add & told her to contact me any time because there was much to learn about these little babies. I told her to go get some nutra-cal & have on hand due to blood sugar dropping. The guy that was selling the puppy started asking me questions & getting very upset with me so I really encouraged the girl to get in touch with me & I left. It is so sad I don't know if there was anything more I could have done at the time.
 

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I hope she contacts you! You should have written the website on there too...maybe she would at least lurk and learn something...ya know?
Anyway, good for you!
 

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It was so good of you to offer your help and advise. I'm sorry she had her heart set on a pet store pup though
You did the most you could do though
I hope you hear from her about the pup
 

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I so do hope she calls you. Thanks for going out there and speaking up about the puppy mills and the mistake of buying from a pet shop; I'm sorry she wouldn't listen
Although I gotta say.... if I were in her position, I'd probably wanna buy the sweet little baby also


Anyways, if she calls, give her this site - she might learn a lot.
 

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It can be discouraging to try to educate people about the horrors of puppy mills, can't it? But we have to keep trying. I tell myself that if I can prevent just one person from buying a pet shop puppy and going through the heartbreak and expense I have gone through with my Lady, then the effort is worth it.

I think people are in denial and think all the health and behavior problems just won't happen to them. I think they want instant gratification - to get a puppy NOW. It is especially hard to reason with the people who think they are doing the right thing by "saving" a pet shop puppy, when really their actions are causing more dogs to continue to suffer in puppy mills. An empty cage will soon be filled by yet another puppy born in a puppy mill. As long as the demand continues, the supply will be met by those poor souls sentenced to a horrible existence in filthy barns across the country.
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Mar 23 2005, 08:34 AM
I think people are in denial and think all the health and behavior problems just won't happen to them. I think they want instant gratification - to get a puppy NOW. It is especially hard to reason with the people who think they are doing the right thing by "saving" a pet shop puppy, when really their actions are causing more dogs to continue to suffer in puppy mills. An empty cage will soon be filled by yet another puppy born in a puppy mill. As long as the demand continues, the supply will be met by those poor souls sentenced to a horrible existence in filthy barns across the country.
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My cousin has 2 pugs(both from breeders) and one passed away recently. It was unexpected, she was just 2 years old. She was soooo depressed that she bought a mix from a pet store. My entire family tried to get her to rethink the situation, but she wanted that puppy. I only worry now that her heartbreak will grow with the questionable health and nature of her new puppy. I have emailed her many links to sites that speak about puppy mills and her only response is that I am jealous because she got a new dog right away, and I am still waiting for my little one to be old enough to leave the breeder.

Of course who could resist those cute little faces in the window, but I really believe the only way to end it is to keep those little ones from being there in the first place. Of course it'll take a long time for that to happen...

Sorry for the ramble, I just worry so much about my cousin and her new dog now. Honeslty Marj, I think you are a one in a million person for the love and care you devote to Lady, it just upsets me that a different owner would have given her up by now.
 

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Sorry for the ramble, I just worry so much about my cousin and her new dog now. Honeslty Marj, I think you are a one in a million person for the love and care you devote to Lady, it just upsets me that a different owner would have given her up by now.[/B]
A different owner did worse, they tied her up outside and it took an Angel to rescue her from that abuse.

Good for you for following her into that store and trying to talk her out of that purchase. I hope she calls you when she realizes what she has gotten herself into. I also hope that she comes to this forum and learns everything that we have learned.

I never blame it on the person who buys from the pet store even if they are told those dogs are puppy mill dogs. They see that cute dog and think it couldn't be from a horrid puppy mill, look how healthy and cute it looks! Puppy mill dogs are sickly aren't they? So they buy the puppy thinking that what they heard about pet stores and puppy mills was wrong. Instant gratification, just like LittlePeanut’s cousin. I of course blame it on the pet stores, puppy mills, brokers, and even famous people and the media. The famous people buy their pups from "boutiques" and pet stores and then the media talks about the new purchase and how cute the dog is. They get the public to want one too.
I am proud of the media in this area (and some others) because they have been reporting on puppy mills in the area and getting them shut down. I think they went under cover and shut down two puppy mills and a pet store. The pet store was selling sick puppies. It makes me happy that they are putting these scum bags out of business.
 

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Yes, Lady's first owner did do much worse. Lady was apparently perfectly healthy for the first 4&1/2 years of her life. Then she started having seizures. Her first mom tied her outside in 100+ degree heat and thunderstorms every night with no food or water and moved away without her.

She was there for 3 days before my neighbor, Jennifer, heard from the woman and asked about Lady. At the time Jennfier was battling cancer and very sick from chemo a few days earlier. In spite of that she immediately went to the house even though it was the middle of the night and rescued Lady.

She is Lady's true rescue angel.

To get back to the subject, next time you think about "saving" a puppy from a pet shop, think about this letter from a pet shop owner. I've posted it before, but some of our newer members might not have seen it.

Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner

Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there.

Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies.

I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know.

Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem.

If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills.

As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? Its expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous!

Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it.

Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage.

It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. Its all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something.

Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year.

There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too!

I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to.
 

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Awwww, luvmymacy. You did the right thing! Good for you!!!


It is so heartbreaking to see pet store puppies isn't it? I always feel really bad seeing those poor babies and want to help them all. I wish more people will know about the truth of this business. -_-
 

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I NO LONGER set foot in ANY "Pet Store", my heart can't take it....I don't plan on buying anything there to help support them, so why go there.......I frequent Pet Smart and I LOVE to be there on "adoption" days!! The looks of the dogs and cats that are being cradled by their new forever Momma's and Dad's just melts my heart!!
 

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Originally posted by Sisses Momma@Apr 1 2005, 09:04 AM
 
I NO LONGER set foot in ANY "Pet Store", my heart can't take it....I don't plan on buying anything there to help support them, so why go there.......I frequent Pet Smart and I LOVE to be there on "adoption" days!!  The looks of the dogs and cats that are being cradled by their new forever Momma's and Dad's just melts my heart!!
 

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Okay, I'm sitting here and getting offended by a lot of the things being said here. I got Gizmo from a pet store and so constantly when I am on this forum I am made to feel like a terrible person for that, so now I'm going to speak out. I don't support puppy mills but I DO believe that things happen for a reason and that I was meant to get Gizmo, pet store or not. I DO believe that I saved him and though you may say that another dog will just be put in there, that's true, but at least there is now a dog living a fantastic life after being brought in by cruel circumstances by no fault of his own. I would die for Gizmo. When we were attacked by the pitbull I was on top of him because I would rather the damage be done to me than anything happen to him. He is my angel and he was sent to me so that we could save each other, and he has saved me from severe depression. The fact is that I am afraid to ask for any help on here because as soon as anyone finds out he's a pet store dog I get told automatically that that is why he has ANY of the problems I have with him... yet when the people who got their dog from the breeders have the same problem it's a different story. I'd like to feel welcome, but, though some of you have been great, I still get nasty remarks sometimes. It wasn't until I got Gizmo that I got educated on puppy mills and pet stores etc. but the fact was that though he had coccidia in the beginning (something that dogs from breeders get too) I was willing to fork out whatever it cost to make him healthy and I pay for his insurance every month so that if he ever get sick or injured again he will get the best treatment. I travel out of town to take him to a fantastic vet. I am not a bad person for buying a dog from a pet store and Gizmo is not a bad dog, in fact the people at the vet and the groomers are always telling me what a sweet temperament he has. I'm not asking that you change your opinions about puppy mills and pet stores... I'm asking that before you write something down here you consider those of us here whose feeling might get hurt, and who have done right by our dogs. I too have convinced people not to go through pet stores so please stop branding me as a bad bad pet store buyer for life.

Thanks.
 

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My mom's malt is from a pet store too...I just got the USDA information on him today. We bought him from a pet store because we didn't know any better...I didn't know anything about puppy mills or brokers, and I guess I should have known better because my cousin has bred and shown dobies for 35 years so if we were looking for a dog she should have been our first resource. We did the worst of the worst....he was an impulse buy, we knew NOTHING about dogs at all. Just because he is from a pet store does not mean he is loved or treasured any less than our other dogs...in fact, if it wasn't for him I would never have known that I was not allergic to maltese and I would not have Pippin right now. So I do believe that everything happens for a reason.

I do not care WHERE a person's dogs came from...as long as they are loved and taken great care of. The reason these threads pop up are for educational purposes...so that if there is someone considering a maltese they will think twice before going to the pet store and buying one. We are trying to stop the cycle of greed...not offend valued members of this forum because their puppy came from a pet store. The only folks that I can NOT stomach are those who have been informed and know better...but go out and buy from the pet store anyway. So please, don't be offended and take these threads personally....Gizmo is just as loved and cherished as any other dog on this forum...and just because he is from a pet store does not mean that we consider him a bad dog or you a bad pet owner. I think he is a cutie!
 

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Pippin's Mom... that was very well said. Both my first Maltese, Rosebud, and Kallie came from parents who were from pet shops. I didn't know any better either.

We must feel free on this forum to discuss reasons why not to buy from a pet store so we can educate those who do not know. I can't think of anyone on this forum who would think any less of anyone or their dog just because he/she was purchased from a pet store. However, we can't hide our heads in the sand on this issue.
 
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