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This past May Hunter was due for the following vaccinations:

1. Lyme Disease Booster
2. Heartworm, Borrelia, Ehrl Test (3DX) - he received the 4DX in 2009

He is also due this December for his DHLPP Booster.

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After careful consideration and some great discussions with my friends here on SM I decided not to vaccinate Hunter against Lyme disease. He is on frontline plus and his food contains some natural tick and flea repellant. The Lyme Disease Booster seemed like overkill.

However, I have received a little bit of pressure from the staff at the office to vaccinate him now for the Lyme Disease and when I asked about a titer test for the 3DX I got some funny faces and some resistance. The vet tech asked me why I wouldn't just vaccinate.

I love my vet. He is old fashioned and I am quite certain I am the only individual who truly questions what care her animal is receiving (not the quality, just what's being done).

Given Hunter's heart issues I can't help but wonder if I should just do the 3DX but stand firm against the DHLPP as everything I have read indicates that its a 1-3 year booster depending on your vet's preference. Its clear my vet prefers annually.

So, once again, I am turning my questions to my more knowing friends here on SM. Please education me on these particular vaccinations and what your regimine is.

I am going to contact my vet directly but would like to go armed with some information so we can have a good conversation.
 

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Have you spoken to your vet directly about it? I think the receptionist staff is trained to remind (push) vaccination boosters.

I had that issue with Lady. She nearly died from her last rabies shot and my vet and I agreed that I wouldn't vaccinate her anymore. I still got hassled at the front desk all the time and had to go through the whole story again and again. I finally had the sense to mention it to my vet who flagged her chart. It was never a problem again.

Maybe you can print out Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol to discuss with your vet? It's been adopted by the majority of vet schools.

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

I did that with Lady's vet 8 years ago when it was fairly new. Dr. Chessie was absolutely fine with it and doing titers even back then.

I am a firm believer that we are our dog's advocate and must speak up for them.
 

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I agree with the suggestion of asking the vet directly. Mine only require DHPP every 3 years now--and with one of my oldest dogs, the vet said we could skip it altogether--by her advanced age he thought she was very unlikely to contract those diseases. (Of course I believe I had had her longer than you have had Hunter.)

The "L" part--leptospirosis--may be a whole 'nother issue. I think my vets still say that needs to be boostered at least annually--if you have to get it at all.
 

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I agree with the suggestion of asking the vet directly. Mine only require DHPP every 3 years now--and with one of my oldest dogs, the vet said we could skip it altogether--by her advanced age he thought she was very unlikely to contract those diseases. (Of course I believe I had had her longer than you have had Hunter.)

The "L" part--leptospirosis--may be a whole 'nother issue. I think my vets still say that needs to be boostered at least annually--if you have to get it at all.
It's my understanding leptospitosos should NOT be given to Maltese at all. :huh:
 

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It's my understanding leptospitosos should NOT be given to Maltese at all. :huh:
Could you please say a little more about why this is your understanding? I plan to do this due to the rat problem in Athens---so would like more back up info. if you can provide it? Thanks!
 

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My vet does every 3 years on rabies and distemper and does not use lepto. Bordatella is another one that does not need to be given routinely. However, does Hunter run around outside, freely? Does he potty outside? Is he around rats or does he lick water or anything else off of the ground? Do you board him or take him to the groomers? Is he at high risk for contracting deer ticks? The lepto vaccine does have a higher incidence of reactions. I do not get bordatella, lyme disease, or lepto for my girls. My girls are indoors, use potty pads, are leash-walked on sidewalks, they do not board, and I do my own grooming. Their risk for contracting any of these is practically non-existent. Hope this helps:thumbsup:
 

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Could you please say a little more about why this is your understanding? I plan to do this due to the rat problem in Athens---so would like more back up info. if you can provide it? Thanks!
If I were in your shoes I would do the vaccine that you mentioned cause of the rat problem. If your dog is not at high risk then the vaccine is probably not necessary.
 

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This past May Hunter was due for the following vaccinations:

1. Lyme Disease Booster
2. Heartworm, Borrelia, Ehrl Test (3DX) - he received the 4DX in 2009

He is also due this December for his DHLPP Booster.

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After careful consideration and some great discussions with my friends here on SM I decided not to vaccinate Hunter against Lyme disease. He is on frontline plus and his food contains some natural tick and flea repellant. The Lyme Disease Booster seemed like overkill.

However, I have received a little bit of pressure from the staff at the office to vaccinate him now for the Lyme Disease and when I asked about a titer test for the 3DX I got some funny faces and some resistance. The vet tech asked me why I wouldn't just vaccinate.

I love my vet. He is old fashioned and I am quite certain I am the only individual who truly questions what care her animal is receiving (not the quality, just what's being done).

Given Hunter's heart issues I can't help but wonder if I should just do the 3DX but stand firm against the DHLPP as everything I have read indicates that its a 1-3 year booster depending on your vet's preference. Its clear my vet prefers annually.

So, once again, I am turning my questions to my more knowing friends here on SM. Please education me on these particular vaccinations and what your regimine is.

I am going to contact my vet directly but would like to go armed with some information so we can have a good conversation.
Erin, I'm a bit confused. To my knowledge there is no vaccine for heartworm. Is #2 perhaps a simple heartworm test? And do you mean Bordetella in #2?

Personally, I would never give any type of 'combo' vaccine. They need to be separated by at least 3 weeks. For me, I would not do the Lyme Disease Vaccine because that's a bit of an overkill for the reasons you mentioned. My vet recommends just the rabies vaccine every 3 years and then titers for DHPP (distemper/Parvo). That's it for my crew. I'm still unsure on Lepto. Zoe had Lepto. But my new vet who is a traditional vet, but has studied holistic meds as well, is dead set against it. I think if Zoe was not super healthy, I might still get the Lepto vaccine. But my understanding is the healthier the immune system, the more of these types of things they can fight off. Maybe always do a foot bath when Hunter cones inside>? If you decide to do Lepto, do the newer 4-way, keep it seperate (NOT the DLHPP), and pre-med with children's Benadryl.
 

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This past May Hunter was due for the following vaccinations:

1. Lyme Disease Booster
2. Heartworm, Borrelia, Ehrl Test (3DX) - he received the 4DX in 2009

He is also due this December for his DHLPP Booster.

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After careful consideration and some great discussions with my friends here on SM I decided not to vaccinate Hunter against Lyme disease. He is on frontline plus and his food contains some natural tick and flea repellant. The Lyme Disease Booster seemed like overkill.

However, I have received a little bit of pressure from the staff at the office to vaccinate him now for the Lyme Disease and when I asked about a titer test for the 3DX I got some funny faces and some resistance. The vet tech asked me why I wouldn't just vaccinate.

I love my vet. He is old fashioned and I am quite certain I am the only individual who truly questions what care her animal is receiving (not the quality, just what's being done).

Given Hunter's heart issues I can't help but wonder if I should just do the 3DX but stand firm against the DHLPP as everything I have read indicates that its a 1-3 year booster depending on your vet's preference. Its clear my vet prefers annually.

So, once again, I am turning my questions to my more knowing friends here on SM. Please education me on these particular vaccinations and what your regimine is.

I am going to contact my vet directly but would like to go armed with some information so we can have a good conversation.
1-3 booster on vet's preference? The protocol is 3 years not annually for DHPP. Rabies is 1 year or 3 years depending on county you live in and requirement but it is the same vaccine it is just labeled based on the requirement for your area.

I personally titer myself and have since mine were 1 and the one with health issues and poor immune system since she was 6 mos.

My vet will not vaccinate if they have health issues. I just took demi in due to having mild seizure activity and did blood work and I said what about titer add on and she said it is a waste as I would not vaccinate her anyway with this going on.

I had a scare with a plumber coming into my home whose dog was in hospital with parvo and all of mine were fine and specialists and vets i work with all were not concerned since mine all had their puppy shots so that was very enlightening to me.

You have to go with what you feel is best but if a vet were yearly vaccinating on dhpp I would definitely question that myself. Some believe after one year booster they are immune for life so you just need to make the call based on your life style and area based on what you research.

3 of mine go to one vet and dd i ventured out to another vet and now back to my original and the thing that impressed me the most was this year I received her card and it said annual check up and said nothing about due for vaccinations on it as many say vaccinations on those cards rather than a wellness check. It is almost like they have to do that to get people to take their dogs in to the vet :( sad

I had a vet i went to for digital xray staff try to scare me about vaccinations and the vet kept sending me cards saying my dogs needed corona vaccine and my friend went to him for years and trusts him completely and why i tried him out as he had that digital xray and both of her cockers died this year of cancer in the same spot where vaccinations were given - they were different ages but i found it odd that two dogs had the same cancer and same spot - what are the odds of that by the same owner both dying on he same day :( made me think were they over vaccinated- btw this is the vet that gave my dog on steroids metacam that messed her up for a month and never went back:( I just do not think he is safe. Could this be a coincidence with her two cockers - I guess but after he did something unsafe with my dog I question this in a big way
 

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also wanted to share two other things

When i got Lucy and reviewed her shot records i was shocked. This 4lb yorkie was vaccinated yearly for rabies and dhpp and she had lepto once. I called the vet and talked with her and she was really nice as wanted to go over her records and heartworm info etc. I asked at the end of the call why she was vaccinated yearly instead of every 3 years as the new protocol is 3 years. She said to me it is our policy to do yearly UNLESS the owner asks about 3 year and I was shocked again. The rabies was tricky as my friend lived in a 1 year county but the vet was in a 3 year county. My vet looked at her records and just shook her head.

Another situation my parents dog was really sick after his vaccinations at 7 years of age - turned out the bordatella shot as that was the only change. I called the vet and discussed what was going on (this was our first vet we left thank goodness) and I asked why yearly vaccinations and they said it is up to owner to ask about 3 years otherwise we do annual vaccines.

So 2 vets one in california and one in Georgia both said up to owner to ask so do not assume the vet will follow the new protocol as you may just have to ask :(

there is controversy over titering so some vets are not on board with it BUT many vets get titered for rabies vaccines they had in vet school rather than getting updated shots themselves - why ? if they do not believe in it ?
 

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All your advice and the videos were very helpful. If anyone else has any other information or comments I would appreciate them greatly.
 

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The 3DX test is a blood test, NOT a vaccine. It should be done annually. The 4DX tests for one additional thing which may or may not be applicable for you. Your vet is 100% correct in having you do this EVERY year. Living in an area with heartworm you really need to get this done.
 

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Erin: We have decided to do only the 3-year rabies vaccination- only because it is the law, and we travel often, which means we may be asked for proof of that vaccination from time to time. Both dogs have received all the usual puppy shots, and (in my opinion) I feel that is enough for them. I politely discourage the staff at the vet's office if they try to pressure me to do anything more. I thank them for their caring interest, smile, and say, "I've made my decisions, thank you." Hope this helps.
 

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My new (hollistic) vet clearly stated to me the other day that the shots that Aolani got as a pup and most recently from another vet for his annual are enough (with the exception of the rabbies vaccine which he has to get by law every 3 years here). I mentioned to him that sometimes the playgroups I take Aolani to require bortadella and he said that's something that I myself have to weigh in on and decide. But he does do titers and we have been speaking about hollistic foods and supplements to get Aolani to optimal health so that he can fight things off easily. He also mentioned that I don't need to give Aolani flea and heartworm medicine, but since he did get fleas last July we agreed that only from July-Nov he will get that medicine.
 
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