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I need to vent ... and plead with all of you who may be getting a puppy in the near future ... to please pay attention to what your breeder says and pay attention to what your contract says.

One of my puppies went to his new home on Saturday. He is a very nice little boy, 3.5 lbs. and 19 weeks old. As I said in other threads on this forum before, I keep all puppies until they are at least 16 weeks old, have their puppy shots done at 8 wks, 12 wks and 16 wks and have their bile acid tests done at 15 wks old. All puppies are placed with a sale contract which contains, among other things, a mandatory spay/neuter clause and a very reasonable and generous health guarantee. Attached to the sale contract is a copy of the lab results of bile acid test and a health history printed out by my vet detailing the date of each and every visit, vaccination, etc. On the health history page I write out the date that the rabies vaccination should be given, the date that the one-year DHPP booster shot should be given, and a schedule of all future vaccinations. My contract contains the following clause:

Said dog will have received all appropriate puppy shots and deworming prior to purchase. Purchaser will be responsible for vaccinating the dog for Rabies; said Rabies vaccination is not to be administered before the dog reaches 5 months of age ( ) and is not to be administered in conjunction with any other vaccination of any type. Failure to abide by this vaccination clause renders any and all guarantees contained in this Agreement null and void.

This puppy's new family came to my home early Saturday morning. As we had agreed ahead of time, I bathed him after they arrived so that they could watch and learn how to do it. They got to watch and learn how to dry him, shave his paw pads and cut his nails. I gave them the same nail clippers and battery-operated paw pad clippers that I use on all my dogs. We then reviewed and discussed the contract, clause by clause, discussed the vaccination schedule, the use/schedule of heartworm preventative, flea/tick preventative, and the timing of the neuter based on what the puppy/adult teeth are doing. My contract says that the puppy must be neutered by 8 mos. of age but also not before the adult canine teeth have erupted through the gums. We discussed the feeding schedule, potty training schedule, and the general care of the puppy. Everybody understood and agreed with all clauses of the contract, read and understood the health history, understood and agreed to the neuter requirements and the general care of the puppy. Perfect, right?

In accordance with my contract (which says the puppy must be seen by a vet for a wellness exam within 5 days of purchase) the puppy had his wellness exam today. He got his rabies shot, in accordance with the contract. And that's where the good news ends. In addition to the rabies shot he got another DHPP shot, an intranasal Bordatella vaccination, and an application of Frontline. And they scheduled his neuter less than a month from now when he won't yet be 6 mos. of age. All of this was done on the advice of the vet tech!!!!!!! Since most of you know that I'm a very mild mannered person (NOT), you can well imagine my reaction. Needless to say, I am scared poopless for my little guy!! And, needless to say, the owner is scared poopless for her new puppy and because she ignored the contract and thought she was doing the right thing. The worst part of all of this is that the vet she used IS MY VET!!! I have never had this sort of issue with my vet, but then again his techs would never dream of telling me what I should be doing to or for my dogs.

As other breeders have said before, our sale contracts are always changing and evolving. Just when we think we've got it right something else goes askew. Tomorrow morning I will be calling my vet and tomorrow night I will start drafting an "open" letter addressed to "Dear Vet of Maltese Puppy Now Owned By __________________". That letter will contain (bolded and underlined) the clause quoted above from my contract, have attached to it a copy of the health history and lab results from the bile acid test, and will be followed by a statement that "should you as the new vet of this puppy, administer any vaccinations, flea preventative or heartworm preventative not in accordance with my contract, then you as vet will have caused all guarantees contained in the sale contract between breeder and purchaser of this puppy to become IMMEDIATELY NULL AND VOID.

I'm upset, confused, angry, frustrated and scared. How will we ever get through to people -- buyers, vets, vet techs -- that what we put in our contract we put in there for the WELL-BEING OF THE PUPPY?
 

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I understand whole heartily, Mary. :exploding:They pretty much do what they are told to do by people they consider knowing more than they do. As in the health of our dogs. No matter how much we try to educate the public about vaccinations and the dangers that they can cause. Our Vets still use the old way of administrating them.
I can understand how you feel when it is your own vet that vaccinated a puppy of yours knowing how you feel about vaccinations.
 

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I totally understand your frustration Mary, its so scary when it comes to these little puppies. IMHO this is entirely the vets fault - and almost every vet I've gone to has this practice of pushing pushing pushing more shots, more treatments, etc. into a single visit. And it happens every visit!

It really takes a strong person with strong convictions to stand up to them when they are advising on all of this. Its understandable, too, people just got their new baby and want to do right by them. Most people aren't aware of the dangers of overvaccinating or having too many treatments done at the same time. I don't know how to advise you to proceed in the future, but if I were in your situation I would consider making it a pre-requisite to read Scared Poopless before picking up a puppy. At least then people might feel more armed to discuss things and, if necessary, push back with the vet and vet techs.

Its unfortunate and a little scary, but most people in this country are not advocates for their pet's health - or their own, for that matter. I used to be guilty as charged, too, when I had a crazy work schedule and no time to research.

In any event, I can't wait to hear how your conversation with the vet goes.....
 

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I can't even imagine how you are feeling Mary :(. You spent so much time with the new pet owner, more then anyone has ever spent with any of my babies and then for this to happen. I know your sweet little guy will be okay and I am sure you are right on top of it at your vets office. You must have been blown away.
 

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Mary, what if you have a separate paper that just lists what shots etc. they need and when.
The top of the paper could say " To be taken to the Vet with puppy!". Make it simple and
easy to read and in a bold color. Have them sign it after you read it with them. THEN make a copy
and you keep one, do in front of new owner so they know the importance.
Please keep us posted on the little boy and how he is doing.
 

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One more thing.....when we have a person sign an adoption agreement for our fosters it asks
for their Vets name and address. What about using that idea and sending the "Vet info from the
Breeder" on to the Vet yourself. Just an idea.
 

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I'm so sorry, Mary.

It is terrible the way vaccinations are pushed as a matter of routine with no thought involved on both sides. When I take Nikki in for her yearly, the very first thing I say is "No vaccines!" to the receptionist, to the techs, and to the vet. All around me - in the waiting room, and in the back office, I overhear talk about getting shots. It's very sad because they don't realize what they are doing.

I'm really sorry you had to experience one of your puppies go through this.
 

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Well my good little boy survived the night without incident. His potty schedule is set up so that bedtime is around 10 pm, then his owner gets up around 2 a.m. to let him potty, back to bed, and up at 6 am. I insisted that she call me in the middle of the night and then again this morning. Luckily he is going fine. His owner on the other hand did not sleep a wink ... and neither did I. She is taking today off of work and I am leaving now for work because I have an all day meeting that I've got to be in. :w00t: I will call the vet this morning to cancel the neuter appointment and make an appointment for one of my other dogs for Saturday. Rather than discuss this situation over the phone I'm going to wait until Saturday and do it in person. I want nothing to be lost in translation in what I have to say. Thanks all for your support and good thoughts for our precious little one.
 

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Well my good little boy survived the night without incident. His potty schedule is set up so that bedtime is around 10 pm, then his owner gets up around 2 a.m. to let him potty, back to bed, and up at 6 am. I insisted that she call me in the middle of the night and then again this morning. Luckily he is going fine. His owner on the other hand did not sleep a wink ... and neither did I. She is taking today off of work and I am leaving now for work because I have an all day meeting that I've got to be in. :w00t: I will call the vet this morning to cancel the neuter appointment and make an appointment for one of my other dogs for Saturday. Rather than discuss this situation over the phone I'm going to wait until Saturday and do it in person. I want nothing to be lost in translation in what I have to say. Thanks all for your support and good thoughts for our precious little one.
There is a Homeopathic Dog Detox liquid you can buy in a health food store or online.
 

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Mary,

I'm so sorry that you had this happen. I pray that your
little guy continues to be okay and I know that you
will tell the vet what he needs to hear.

Keep us updated!

Debbie
 

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This is a lesson to all dog owners. Do not turn off your brain when you walk into a veterinary office. You are your dog's only advocate. You must take charge of your dog's health and make the decisions for it, not the vet, not the groomer, no one but you. Please be careful and watch what everyone is saying and doing in a vet's office. When I took Nikki in for her yearly last week, I had to repeatedly tell the vet techs I was not allowing vaccine boosters and they looked at me like I was crazy but I don't care.
 

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sorry if this was already in another thread but its early and I have meetings so I guess ill look around later but just in case I'll also ask now....... so im guessing its not good to get rabies and dhlpp shot at same time??? My bella goes may 27 to get 4th shot and she will be 16 weeks old. The vet said I should also do my rabies same time!

If its not a good idea should I just get my 4 shots for her and reshedule for rabies?? If yes, how long should I wait for her to get rabies shots after she gets her 4th shot?? then about how long should i wait to get her spayed?
 

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sorry if this was already in another thread but its early and I have meetings so I guess ill look around later but just in case I'll also ask now....... so im guessing its not good to get rabies and dhlpp shot at same time??? My bella goes may 27 to get 4th shot and she will be 16 weeks old. The vet said I should also do my rabies same time!

If its not a good idea should I just get my 4 shots for her and reshedule for rabies?? If yes, how long should I wait for her to get rabies shots after she gets her 4th shot?? then about how long should i wait to get her spayed?
Always wait at least 3 weeks after the other vaccinations to give a rabies shot. Always give it separately. Rabies shots usually aren't given until the puppy is 5-6 months old.

I suggest you read this blog: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/ before you do any more shots, especially this article: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/
 

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I'm so sorry to hear this Mary! I sure hope the pup will be just fine! I agree with what Marsha said, make a separate list one for the owner, even one for the vet to keep in puppy's chart.
 

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Suzan, I am 100% behind you - we are our dog's advocate. There is nothing wrong with listening to your vet, but don't do anything you are not comfortable with. There is no harm in saying I'll think on it and return if we decide to do it.
 

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I'm so sorry this happened. I would be scared to death with all those extras they gave to the poor boy! Sure hope he is okay and stays okay.

I know with my vet, I pretty much tell them what I want done and don't want done and they listen :thumbsup::thumbsup: The only problem I have is that sometimes he has a substitute vet come in when he takes two days a week off and I DO NOT LIKE HIM!!! Unfortunately when Toby had HGE, the sub vet was there and he sort of brushed off the seriousness of the problem and I was really mifted, really mifted......I ended up going back to the vet the same day within 15 minutes after I had been at the office and this time I dug out all the bloody paper towels. . . . . . . AND this time I insisted on him taking the problem seriously and following the directions in Toby's file..........they had a ton of information on HGE which I provided as well as the information and treatment the "hospital" vet sent them the first time Toby had HGE; so to me, there was no excuse and so I never go when the sub vet is there..........and told them that also!

Wishing your little boy stays well! :thumbsup:
 

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sorry if this was already in another thread but its early and I have meetings so I guess ill look around later but just in case I'll also ask now....... so im guessing its not good to get rabies and dhlpp shot at same time??? My bella goes may 27 to get 4th shot and she will be 16 weeks old. The vet said I should also do my rabies same time!

If its not a good idea should I just get my 4 shots for her and reshedule for rabies?? If yes, how long should I wait for her to get rabies shots after she gets her 4th shot?? then about how long should i wait to get her spayed?

Here's my schedule:

8 wks - DHPP, dewormer

12 wks - DHPP

15 wks - bile acid test

16 wks - DHPP

5 mos - Rabies

Only after Rabies will I start on any other treatments, i.e., flea/tick preventative, heartworm preventative, Bordatella vaccination. And I wait AT LEAST 3 weeks before doing anything after Rabies and AT LEAST 2 weeks between flea/tick and heartworm preventative. Does this mean a few extra trips to the vet early on? Yes. But spreading out these treatments will possibly prevent unnecessary frequent trips to the vet later on and will definitely prevent overstressing an immature immune system FOR NO GOOD REASON.
 

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Mary, what if you have a separate paper that just lists what shots etc. they need and when.
The top of the paper could say " To be taken to the Vet with puppy!". Make it simple and
easy to read and in a bold color. Have them sign it after you read it with them. THEN make a copy
and you keep one, do in front of new owner so they know the importance.
Please keep us posted on the little boy and how he is doing.
Exactly what I was going to say! :thumbsup:

I was given a long list by my vet on many vaccinations and when I got home I emailed my breeder also post here on SM. I got my answers and canceled everything. :aktion033:
 

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How awful! :( I'm glad he seems to be doing well, so far. Leila is my first pup, so I got to experience the pressure from the vet techs first hand on our first visit. She was exactly 2.0 pounds and 16 weeks and the tech had taken it upon herself to start listing all of these shots she should be getting THAT DAY, including rabies, lepto., and something else..

She had mentioned something offhandedly about her needing it right away and then went into the other room. When she came back in she had a tray of syringes ready to go. Then, I finally got a moment to interject and tell her that wasn't going to be happening. I told her I wasn't going to give her a bunch of shots only 2 days after getting her when she was already stressed out, etc. I told her I would reschedule on my own.

She really looked at me like I was a horrible 'mom' and that I didn't know anything about what was best for her. It was hard to stick to my guns because I'm usually very non-confrontational and hate high pressure situations. Anyway, just wanted to show how easy it can be to blindly trust what the vet/vet tech says, especially when you haven't had a puppy before.
 
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