Question about Glucosamine Tablets

http://www.activexamerica.com/pet/

This is what my senior Daisy is on. It's been a couple of months and really seems to be helping.

Maxi is quite the handsome fellow

EEEEEEEEEk what is happening with SM tonight I am having some weird things happening here, must be the weather or something.

Sorry about the 3 posts

I just wanted to add too that it was Syn Flex I was thinking of so I changed my last of the three accidental posts. The one 3Maltmom has put in is the one I was thinking of too, I just got the name wrong.

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EEEEEEEEEk what is happening with SM tonight I am having some weird things happening here, must be the weather or something.

Sorry about the 3 posts

I just wanted to add too that it was Syn Flex I was thinking of so I changed my last of the three accidental posts. The one 3Maltmom has put in is the one I was thinking of too, I just got the name wrong.

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I was thinking, wow this might be even better than Syn-Flex!! I was searching for yours on the internet, I was going to pm you this morning and ask where to get it - LOL
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Yep I felt like such a nut, I didn't look at your web site that you posted and tried to do it from memory Then to make matters worse I had trouble getting the post in, then it was there three times, I tell ya, yesterday is a day I choose to forget. I was having big problems with SM running so slow I ended up just logging out but then I couldn't do that for a while either for some reason, but all seems to be ok today thank goodness.

Thanks so much 3MaltMom & Scoobydoo. I have placed my order for the Syn-Flex!! I also had problems last night posting. Mine just wouldn't go through at times because of running so slow. Everything seems fine this morning. Now, I have another question... I saw that there are beef flavored aspirins for dogs, have you tried them?

Thanks again!! ScoobyDoo, you crack me up with all your bags over your head!! (we still know who you are!!)

What a handsome boy! My sister has a wonderful GSD who is also having problems with arthritis. She swears by Cosequin. It's expensive to to keep a big dog like that on it, though.

Lady gets Glycoflex because my vet recommended it. I believe Cosequin and Glycoflex are most often recommended by vets.

I've never heard of Syn-Flex, but just make sure that whatever you get has enough glucosamine and chondrotin in it for his weight. I don't see any information on the Syn-Flex website about the actual amounts of these ingredients per dosage. You might try calling the company.

Many people try to cut corners and get a less expensive brand only to find out it doesn't have enough glucosamine. Based on Lady's weight (9 pounds) my vet said she needs 300 mg per day. You could check with your vet to see what brand he recommends and the correct dosage/amount of glucosamine. You want to make sure you are getting a supplement that contains enough to get results.

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I just found a site that said a dog over 75 pounds needs 1,000 mg of glucosamine daily. Hope that helps.

http://www.pharmcast.com/Patents100/Yr2005...etary062805.htm

Certified Ingredients Per 1/4 oz. of Syn-flex
1250 mg Glucosamine HCL and Glucosamine Sulfate
25 mg Shark Cartilage (20% Chondroitin Sulfate)

8 mg Boswellin
3 mg Yucca Powder
5 mg Manganese (Ascorbate)
1 mg Bromelain
5 mg Vitamin C
5 mg Omega 3 Fatty Acid
1.67 mg Omega 6 Fatty Acid
80 IU Vitamin A
2 IU Vitamin E


Here are the ingredients of Syn-flex, per 1/4 oz. I'm wandering if there is enough chondroitin.

Stage III Glyco-Flex

Perma Mussel 600mg
Glucosamine HCI 1000mg
Methylsulfonylmethane 1000mg
Dimethylglycine HCI 100mg
Maganese 10mg
Vitamin C 25mg
Vitamin E 50iu
Grape Seed Extract 5mg
Selenium 2 mcg
Glutathione 2mg

Okay, I did the easy part. Now someone else figure this out - lol

I am glad my vet figured it all out for me and recommended Glycoflex - much easier! She prefers Glycoflex because it contains perna mussel.

My vet is big on holistic supplements and has a book that she looks up dosages by weight, recommended uses, etc. She wrote everything down on paper, how much Lady should get of each everyday, including MSM and vitiman C so I could choose which Glycoflex formula was best.

I think a lot depends on the stage of arthritis. Lady has very bad arthritis so my vet wanted her to get MSM everyday for inflamation. You might not need anti-inflamatories in a young dog with, say, borderlines knees that you are trying to avoid surgery with. An older dog like Maxi would probably need MSM which Syn-Flex doesn't appear to have, but you could add that separately.

Here's some more information:

Perna Canaliculus Mussel
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The perna canaliculus mussel is a frequent source of glucosamines in joint supplement products including the popular line of glyco-flex products for dogs, cats & horses. The perna mussel comes from New Zealand and is a natural source of glucosamines, glycosaminoglycans and omega-3 fatty acids. Other names for the perna mussel or perna rich supplements include green lipped mussel, seatone, or greenshell mussel. Perna mussel has been successful in managing degenerative joint diseases and arthritis in both human and people. It also is reported to improve mobility and reduce the pain, swelling, and inflammation associated with arthritis. The perna mussel is often used as a dietary supplement to help with issues related not only arthritis, but also, asthma, menstrual pain, multiple sclerosis and skin problems as well. Although generally beneficial and safe, some side effects are possible including allergic reactions, fluid retention, skin rash and upset stomach. In addition, perna mussel supplements should not be given to people or animals with allergies to fish or shellfish.

Dog Joint Supplements With Perna: Glyco-Flex Glyco-C-Mine Synovi Resources ArthiSoothe

MSM - Methylsulfonylmethane
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MSM is a commonly used acronym for methylsulfonylmethane, a naturally occurring source of sulfur and an ingredient often featured in joint supplement products. Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) contains sulfur in a form the body can readily use. Sulfur is necessary for the production of collagen, glucosamine, chondroitin and certain anti-oxidants - all of which are vital to healthy cartilage and overall joint health. MSM is believed by some to have multiple health benefits including anti-inflammatory, detoxifying and healing properties. MSM is also claimed to help with blood circulation, muscle cramps, energy, alertness, food allergies and free radicals. One advantage to MSM is that it provides the vital sulfur ingredient without having a "sulfuric" taste or smell.

Marj,

I'm very interested in this, and also being lazy. I plan on talking to my vet about this. What about taking both? I'm not seeing chondroitin in the Glycoflex.

Let me tell ya, anything to help my old Daisy girl

Debbie

You're right - I don't see any chondrotin either. Never noticed that before. I just remember my vet said Lady needed glucosamine, MSM and Vitiman C, wrote down the amounts, and recommended Glycoflex because of the green-lipped mussel. That was even before they came out with all the new formulas so it was super easy!

It really did make a huge difference in Lady's arthritis. I saw it about a year after she was diagnosed with diabetes. I read on the canine diabetes forum that glucosamine was thought to interfere with insulin absorption and was not recommended. I checked with my vet who hadn't heard that, but looked it up and found something about it. We took Lady off it to be safe and within weeks she was in terrible pain and having trouble walking. My vet prescribed Deramaxx, but a few months later they came out with a study proving glucosamine had no effect on insulin so I put Lady back on Glycoflex and stopped Deramaxx.

It made a believer out of me!

As I said, Cosequin is also supposed to be excellent. That's what my sister uses and she manages a vet office.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Syn-Flex isn't good. I just don't know anything about it.