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First I want to say that I'm not starting this thread to have any controversy and that I legitimately have questions on this topic, so please let's try to stay positivie. I'm in no way trying to critisize any of our SM members.

I've noticed that several of our members have recently purchased fluffs from overseas -- mostly from Korea, and I'm just curious why/how you made the decision to purchase from a breeder outside of the U.S.

When I was breeding Lhasas, I did sell some overseas to Europe, South America and Asia, but to other breeders that wanted to add my bloodlines into their breeding programs. I'm proud that if you look at many of the international Lhasa lines, you will see LynnLaine Lhasas in their pedigree.

But with that being said, I was never comfortable shipping a puppy overseas and always worried about their safety, especially since I knew that they would be in the air for many, many, many hours in a crate in cargo. My heart was in my throat each time I shipped until I was notified that the little one had reached his/her destination and was OK. But I was willing to sell overseas in an effort to better the breed.

So I'm wondering why someone would consider purchasing a pet from overseas and having him/her shipped to the U.S. If you wouldn't mind sharing, I would be extremely grateful. And also, how did you go about contacting the foreign breeders. Do most of them speak English? I would love to learn more about your experiences.
 

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Any question that like this would be deemed sincere,so please ,always feel free to ask,we don't learn if we don't ask. This is a world wide community so US breeders wouldn't have the lock on selling.
It's big world,much diversity,so it's expected to buy world wide too.
Can't wait to read resposonses,we all learn this way.
 

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I really like the look of the Korean malts. Last year, when we were looking at getting our first, I was too chicken to go for one. I also assumed that prices would be very high. I was wrong.B)

This time around, after talking with so many breeders here in the USA, none had what we were looking for. Also, many breeders never got back to me. One breeder even presured me for a deposit on a very young puppy. Talk about a turn off!:w00t:

Since so many peeps here have had great experiences getting a fluff from Korea, I decided to take the plunge.

My breeder has been wonderful and easy to understand. She gets back to me in a timely manor, even with the time change. She's answered all of my questions and is very sweet too. Since her husband is a vet, I feel comfortable that our baby will be healthy and well looked after.

I can't wait until she gets here! Since she's tiny, she's staying with the breeder an extra month.:mellow:
 

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I'm in love with your new babies picture. She's a real cutie.

When you contacted the breeder, did you call her or email her to begin with? It sounds like you've talked her since, but to begin with?

Also, how much is the shipping from Korea (approximately)?

What kind of health certificate does she have to have to come into the U.S.? I remember having to go to the FDA to get paperwork to ship the Lhasas overseas. The paperwork varied depending on destination country.

I'm sure I have a million other questions, so don't be shy about providing info, please.
 

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I do not have a Maltese from overseas, but next time around I would consider one (although it would be 12-14 years from now I hope!). Because I have never spoken with any breeder other than ones in the U.S., I can only comment that the reason I personally am interested in overseas breeders is the "look" their Maltese have. It's different than most Maltese in the U.S. I think.

My worries are the same as yours as far as traveling with a puppy (even an older puppy) such a long distance, but I also have not looked into how long a flight would be. I am a believer that shipping via airplane is much safer and less traumatizing than a long car ride (4+ hours) but that is just a personal opinion.

I don't even know what the average price range with shipping is for a Maltese from overseas, but I would love to know just out of curiosity if any one feels comfortable enough to say.
 

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To me, it was important to find a breeder who fell in what I call my 'accepted ethical breeding practices'. For me personally, that meant they only had the number of dogs in their breeding program that they could give the proper time and attention to, (not just their puppies) which also means they may only have a few litters a year. They of course show, breed for not only the breed standard in conformation, but temperament and health as well. They sell with proper contracts for both pet owners and those who want to show, even if they are not in the U.S. I also want to know when they retire their sires and dams and what they do with them once they retire. And I can go to their home and see their set up personally or have a trusted friend who is able to do that. You all might be surprised how some of these breeders who are really looked up to keep their dogs in their breeding program. I understand that when you are breeding to better the breed, you will need to get more dogs into your program then are the typical number you would see in a pet home and they won't get the same type of time and attention we lavish on our babies. But I do want to make sure the sires and dams get love and attention and play time and exercise time. These are after all, living and loving creatures who are bred to be companions and thrive on attention and don't do so well without it.

This is my concern with getting a Maltese from another country. Can you go to their home and see their set up? Has anyone been to either of these breeders homes that are becoming so popular? I would really love it if someone could tell me they have and what the set up is like. It would truly alleviate a huge concern I have. Their set up may be even more wonderful then I can imagine. I don't have any 'inside scoop' that is making me ask this. It is just something that has been a huge concern of mine.

Another huge concern is that at least one of these breeders has been selling to pet owners without a spay/neuter contract which could lead to byb's and greeders getting their hands on these little ones. Someone said that a contract was going to be implemented. Has it?

These are my main concerns with going overseas for a pet puppy.

There are so many wonderful breeders here in the US who have gorgeous faces, like the ones that everyone is raving about with the Korean lines, and are not the ones that everyone talks about so I think are possibly better at returning calls and emails. When looking at the pedigree of these Korean lines, I think you would be surprised how many of them come from right here in the good ole' U.S. of A. When I started my search well over 6 months ago, I expected that it would be at least a year or more before I found my perfect girl. I was shocked when all of the breeders I had contacted got back to me within days and had a baby available. With the current economy, so many of even the breeders who have had super long waiting periods now have babies available. So I'm really sorry but I don't believe it an accurate statement that the breeders here in the US don't get back to you or don't have anything available or the look you want. The look everyone wants was originated here. I fear this look is now being taken to an extreme that no longer falls into the breed standard.
 

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Crystal -- I once sold a couple of Lhasas to a very wealthy and very well respected breeder and judge in Thailand. I had a lot of concerns about the kennel set up, etc. I was privileged enough to be invited to visit him in Thailand and was able to see his set up first hand.

If only those of us in the U.S. were priviledged enough to have such a kennel. He had a number of young girls working for him. I know that they came from poor homes in the countryside, but he was giving them a much better life. They were trained to groom the dogs and socialize the dogs and were kind of like "doggie nannies".

The indoor/outdoor runs were marvelous and the kennel was spotless and large. They had a special room set up just for whelping and a Vet Tech that was on the premises round the clock.

Because mostly the wealthier/priviledged people from foreign countries are the ones that get involved with breeding dogs and showing dogs, I believe that most have very marvelous facilities. At least that has been my experience with the ones I have gotten to visit.

But, I also agree that I like to see first hand to make certain that everything is as expected.
 

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I thought about it myself

But with all the pets in the USA I decided against it However I do wonder if the standard is the same. Spay cortracts dont always work they get papers like aca and breed anyway. Finding a show puppy in USA can cost a LOT of money I think thats why some go over seas
 

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I only bought mine from Korea because I live in Asia already. It was 1.5 hour flight for me- to Korea. That is the only reason for me. I didn't want to bring a dog from the US/Europe to Asia on that long flight. Also I flew there myself to pick up Bisou, something I was much more comfortable in doing rather than having her go through customs here by herself.

If I had been living in the US, I would have bought from an American breeder, if I lived in Europe, I would have bought from an European breeder.
 

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This is a very interesting discussion. I also have wondered about buying overseas. Not so much the reasons, but as to what it takes to do so. I don't plan on doing so myself, I'm happy with having two. I don't want to add another for a very long time. The topic is interesting to me though and I'm interested to see what everyone has to say about it.
 

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I feel lucky to be able to live overseas, so when I looked into buying Ponyo in Japan, and the bloodline and specific Japanese looks, I found the perfect place and most adorable little Malt I could! I get comments from many other military people who own Malts that were from the US and they always say how they can see a differerance in personality, looks, teeth and coat.
I had a friend that was intrested in me finding a Malt for her and shipping him/her over sea's to the US for her. Sad to say our deal fell threw after her husband dident see a good enough reason to spend the $ on a overseas dog.
Same goes for our Lab that we brought into our lives here. Slightly diffrent look, and even though we got her very young, she responds to Japanese and english commands! If my husband (and the military would ship on airfare on their pay!) would agree w/ getting two more dogs here before we leave, I would do it in a second!!!
 

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PS- I forgot to add with Bisou's lines, 80% are from US lines (a lot of Divine, a lot of Marcris and Pashes too), she does have some Korean linage too (Doresden Dolls, Gelluxy and Sunflower).

For me, I had all her paperwork/health certifications to enter China, ready for me when I went to get her, all of which had been translated into English for me. She rode in cabin with me..and we were home within a few hours.

My 'dream' breeder has always been Divine and if I lived in the US, I would have waited as long as I needed to, to get a Divine puppy...but I'm pleased that bisou does have a lot of Divine in her.
 

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I feel lucky to be able to live overseas, so when I looked into buying Ponyo in Japan, and the bloodline and specific Japanese looks, I found the perfect place and most adorable little Malt I could! I get comments from many other military people who own Malts that were from the US and they always say how they can see a differerance in personality, looks, teeth and coat.
I had a friend that was intrested in me finding a Malt for her and shipping him/her over sea's to the US for her. Sad to say our deal fell threw after her husband dident see a good enough reason to spend the $ on a overseas dog.
Same goes for our Lab that we brought into our lives here. Slightly diffrent look, and even though we got her very young, she responds to Japanese and english commands! If my husband (and the military would ship on airfare on their pay!) would agree w/ getting two more dogs here before we leave, I would do it in a second!!!
I'm sorry but I have to ask 2 questions.

1. Are the Malts that the other military people have or have seen from reputable US show breeders or pet stores, puppy mills, and byb's? There is indeed a HUGE difference in temperament and looks when going with a reputable breeder.

2. How old was Ponyo when you got her? How old is she now?
 

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Lynn, this is just my opinion. Others may disagree, and that's fine.

I am not opposed to buying a dog overseas because of country loyalty. It goes much deeper.

I'd have to meet the breeder, see his/her home before purchasing, and spend time with the puppy to ensure the dog's personality matched mine. Of course looks are part of it, but IMO, it is personality that counts much more. And if I were adding a second dog to my home, I'd have to ensure that the two dogs got along first. IMO we build relationships with breeders, and it is much easier to do that in person. (I know some people might fly overseas to pick up a dog in person, but still, there are other issues...)

I would have a hard time considering any show breeder (anywhere) who bred tons of dogs. And I agree with Crystal - my personal preference is to work with smaller breeders who are interested in breeding for temperament and health, rather than breeding tons of dogs for a certain "look." There are many gorgeous Malts that come from smaller, ethical show breeders whose names might not be well-known or often mentioned as much as others.

I don't choose a puppy based on looks alone. That is a very dangerous idea to me. If I bought a dog from overseas and had it shipped to me, then learned that the dog's personality wasn't a good fit, what would I do? Ship it back? To me, that is simply cruel to the puppy.

There is so much more to a living creature than its appearance. Seems like some folks might be overly hung up on looks...yet forgetting that they have to live with the dog for 15 years or so. It might have a perfect look, but it may not be the perfect dog for you.

I also think that it is very stressful to ship a puppy in cargo for such a long period of time. Why take that risk? (I know people do it successfully, but I don't agree with the practice at all.)

With the large number of good US show breeders, plus the amount of Maltese rescues available, I just don't see the point to it. So to answer your question, I would never consider it. JMO.
 

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To me, it was important to find a breeder who fell in what I call my 'accepted ethical breeding practices'. For me personally, that meant they only had the number of dogs in their breeding program that they could give the proper time and attention to, (not just their puppies) which also means they may only have a few litters a year. They of course show, breed for not only the breed standard in conformation, but temperament and health as well. They sell with proper contracts for both pet owners and those who want to show, even if they are not in the U.S. I also want to know when they retire their sires and dams and what they do with them once they retire. And I can go to their home and see their set up personally or have a trusted friend who is able to do that. You all might be surprised how some of these breeders who are really looked up to keep their dogs in their breeding program. I understand that when you are breeding to better the breed, you will need to get more dogs into your program then are the typical number you would see in a pet home and they won't get the same type of time and attention we lavish on our babies. But I do want to make sure the sires and dams get love and attention and play time and exercise time. These are after all, living and loving creatures who are bred to be companions and thrive on attention and don't do so well without it.

This is my concern with getting a Maltese from another country. Can you go to their home and see their set up? Has anyone been to either of these breeders homes that are becoming so popular? I would really love it if someone could tell me they have and what the set up is like. It would truly alleviate a huge concern I have. Their set up may be even more wonderful then I can imagine. I don't have any 'inside scoop' that is making me ask this. It is just something that has been a huge concern of mine.

Another huge concern is that at least one of these breeders has been selling to pet owners without a spay/neuter contract which could lead to byb's and greeders getting their hands on these little ones. Someone said that a contract was going to be implemented. Has it?

These are my main concerns with going overseas for a pet puppy.

There are so many wonderful breeders here in the US who have gorgeous faces, like the ones that everyone is raving about with the Korean lines, and are not the ones that everyone talks about so I think are possibly better at returning calls and emails. When looking at the pedigree of these Korean lines, I think you would be surprised how many of them come from right here in the good ole' U.S. of A. When I started my search well over 6 months ago, I expected that it would be at least a year or more before I found my perfect girl. I was shocked when all of the breeders I had contacted got back to me within days and had a baby available. With the current economy, so many of even the breeders who have had super long waiting periods now have babies available. So I'm really sorry but I don't believe it an accurate statement that the breeders here in the US don't get back to you or don't have anything available or the look you want. The look everyone wants was originated here. I fear this look is now being taken to an extreme that no longer falls into the breed standard.
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My opinion. A few years ago Bonnie's dogs were in BIG demand, almost too much I think. The look of a lot of her pups is adorable (in my opinion :blush:) - and now the Korean look is in high demand. They are absolutely adorable!! And I bet in a year or two there will be another breeder in high demand. Kind of like fashion trends.

And I hate to admit it, but i wanted that "adorable" pup from Bonnie like some of the others had on our forum had.....(whoops).....did I just admit that :w00t: :brownbag:

but I got one......I am totally head-over-heels in love with my Ava. I love her personaity as much as her looks and I think after she's been spayed maybe she'll put on a tad more weight. Sheer perfection :wub:

Lucky for me that Bonnie is a good breeder. Her home is immaculate and she's a sweet person. ......there I just made myself feel better :HistericalSmiley:about wanting a cute dog...
 

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Please don't misunderstand what I wrote, folks.

I am not opposed to wanting an attractive dog. I have one myself, lol. :) Or a dog from a certain breeder with a certain "look" that is appealing to you.

My point was this: if looks is the most important thing, and careful consideration of a puppy's personality isn't thoroughly investigated, some folks might be sadly disappointed afterward, and it isn't fair to the dog. That is why meeting a breeder and a puppy before buying is preferable, to avoid such situations.
 

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Please don't misunderstand what I wrote, folks.

I am not opposed to wanting an attractive dog. I have one myself, lol. :) Or a dog from a certain breeder with a certain "look" that is appealing to you.

My point was this: if looks is the most important thing, and careful consideration of a puppy's personality isn't thoroughly investigated, some folks might be sadly disappointed afterward, and it isn't fair to the dog. That is why meeting a breeder and a puppy before buying is preferable, to avoid such situations.

I absolutely agree with you, my friend. I think about that sometimes.....about me flying down to Bonnies without even seeing a picture or anything. But we had met before and she knew what i wanted and she knew me...and I trusted her. It worked out great for me, but I'm sure it doesn't always... Personality is HUGE!!! Who wants a pretty dog with "issues". Can you imagine getting a new pup like...Tinker? :new_shocked: :HistericalSmiley:
 

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First let me say I have no experience with purchasing a Malt from a breeder at all - I have one from a broker/byb and one from rescue, but I wonder if a poll was taken of those who have purchased from reputable breeders in their own country how many have actually met the breeder and gone to their homes to see their set up. How many have gone by word of mouth and communicated strictly through e-mail or telephone and have had the pup shipped?
But, I also must admit that If I am ever able to bring another malt into the family the first breeder on my list would be Divine, not just because of the reputation she has and because I love the looks of her pups, but most definitely because she is within an hour's drive of me.
I've also wondered about the long flight and its affect on those pups who are being shipped. How long is a flight from overseas to CONUS?
 
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