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I've still got a good while before I get a Maltese but it's slowly getting closer. There are several US Maltese breeders that I would be interested in talking to about buying a Maltese, but I have noticed Shinemore Maltese from Korea and they have some really beautiful dogs. I was just curious if anyone has bought a dog from Shinemore...from the United States or another country, and what your experience with Shinemore was like. Did you have any problems with communication? It seems like it would be harder to make sure a breeder meets your qualifications if they are out of the country. I've heard a few good things about Shinemore but really don't know much about them...I guess I'm trying to figure out if they would be someone I'd want to look into buying from or not. I know it would be so much easier to buy from someone in the US and I will probably end up doing that...but I'm open to buying from breeders out of the country if I know they are what I want in a breeder. Thanks
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As everyone all know I am now in love with the breed and hope to one day get one (as soon as hubby says yes). I have bookmarked a lot of US breeders as well as the 2 famous korean breeders.

For the US Breeders, at least the more popular ones, I have noticed that there is a long wait list, unless you have connections, which I don't. They require a deposit even before you see a puppy. What happens if you do make a deposit and find a puppy you like elesewhere? Will they refund you the deposit? just curious as I don't think I want to even put a deposit on a puppy based on just because she is a reputable breeder. I am all about looks (of course with health as my main concern) and not all CH bloodlines give out gorgeous babies . . . .
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QUOTE (MyFairLacy @ Feb 2 2010, 08:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=880924
So by enhance, you mean lighting, adjusting how white the dog looks and taking any staining away? Just to clarify that you don't mean enhancing feature such as making eyes bigger or muzzles shorter, etc (think little girl pageant photos where they make them look like a different child LOL)?

So..if staining is covered up, has anyone on this forum bought a Shinemore puppy that had bad staining? The photos I've seen of Bijou, Shiloh, and Mrs10 (sp?)'s girl didn't appear to have any staining to me in the photos I've seen of them (sorry if I've left anyone out that has a shinemore dog). I know puppies will usually get a little staining and I'd be okay with slight staining but I would not be okay with severe staining if that makes sense.[/B]
Yes, I agree that Narae at Shinemore takes amazing photos of her dogs, as does Sunnydales and some others. I, personally do NOT think she did anything major to alter the pictures. It's more the basic photography rule of "white balance"; different light sources have a different color temperature, some warmer and some cooler. For example, a Tungsten light (regular household bulb) will give a tinge of yellow to what you are shooting. With a digital camera, it is usually preset on AWB (Auto white balance) or you can manually adjust the white balance to compensate for what kind of lighting you shoot under. You can also adjust the levels after the fact in programs like Photoshop or Lightroom to brighten pictures a little. I can tell the pictures were not adjusted too much or else the white hair of a Maltese would be "blown out" or washed out. You can see in her pictures that the detail of the hair is still there. Lighting is key and with a good camera lens, it will give a crisp, bright appearance, that we all love.

Also, angle plays a huge factor. Yes, looking up will cause the muzzle to look shorter and looking down will cause the muzzle to look longer. Even when I take pictures of Shiloh, she can move and suddenly her muzzle looks longer that it actually is, and sometimes it doesn't really even look like what I see in front of me. It's just like humans; most of us have a "better side" and there can definitely be bad angles, like shooting from bottom up...thus giving you the dreaded double chin! LOL

With all that said, I think Shinemore's pictures accurately depict the structure of what you get, but if you are really concerned, ask for specific pictures...get a profile shot, that will be the best indication of muzzle length. For me, everything was disclosed to me up front. Narae told me Shiloh had a little tear staining and when I first got her, she did have a little, but it grew out after I changed her food (or at least I believe that to be why it went away). Everything that I asked Narae, she answered them truthfully. There were no surprises here. Honestly, the only thing that didn't show up in her pictures, was Shiloh's loving, sweet and kissy personality. I couldn't be more happier with Shiloh's looks or temperament and will likely get my next malt from Shinemore.
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Shiloh is breathtaking . . I hope I can find a girl as beautiful as Shiloh and definitely her personality :wub:
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QUOTE (JMM @ Feb 9 2010, 06:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=883730
Whether deposits are refundable or not depends on the breeder.

Personally, I think you should narrow it down to a few and develop a relationship with the breeder over the phone, in person, however. Tell them when you are looking to purchase a pup (when I was looking for Soda I did not want a pup for a good 6 months). Keep in touch from time to time so they can let you know what might be coming. I truly think going about it this way is better than looking at websites for pups to be listed. I will have a relationship with this breeder for my dog's entire life. I want to be sure we mesh well or it could turn into a huge headache. I don't want a pretty pup from someone I can't stand to talk to.[/B]

thanks Jackie . .trusting the breeder is sooo important as we rely heavily on what they tell us since we are not there to actually see and check the puppys . .that is why going to a reputable breeder is truly very important. I would defintely want to build a relationship with the breeder once I find the right puppy . . .
I guess now that my secret is out I am able to respond to this truthfully about my experience.

I actually started looking for a full grown malt sometime last year . .as I know that potty training is a lot of work. I wasn't in a hurry so I was taking my sweet time. Hubby at the time haven't said yes either so there really was no hurry . . I have talked to EVA and this lady is just so very nice and responsive to all my questions. I was hihgly considering a retired malt but have found them larger than the size I was looking for.

I have both Shinemore and sunnydale websites bookmarked as I have drooled over their website when someone first told me about their very existence (thank you Melissa for sending me those sites last hear) but it was early this year that I saw a photo of Lee's (Shinemore) maltese on facebook that got me going.

But before that I have been looking at puppies from different US breeders . .I have all the highly recommended ones likewise bookmarked. I have to say there aren't many who are selling puppies and whenever I see one (which is a rare thing) they don't fall under my standards (I am all about looks only - health of course is at the very top of my list). I am guessing that breeders (those highly reputable ones) have such a long waitlist that there really is no need to publicly post when they have a litter coming up as those on the waitlist are just too eager to buy :biggrin: .

As far as dealing with a korean breeder, I think once you've connected with the right one, it really isn't so hard to transact business. Since my experience was with Sunnydales, I have to say that the only frustrating thing is the time difference. There is no language barrier as far as I am concerned. She speaks very limited english but when she responds I understood her. For those numerous questions I had, I got help from my daughter's best friend's fiance who is korean. So he translated everything for me and she in turn responded back. I haven't checked SeRi's papers at all yet . . .I just saw her passport cover and found it so adorable but to actually browse I have yet to find the time. Shinyoung does not have a contract, and when I asked her about it she said she does not mind creating one but it will be mostly in Korean so it would be pointless anyway. she says she "trades in good faith" as that is the norm I guess with reputable breeders over there but being that I don't know her I was still skeptic. So with the help of a dear friend from SM, she told me I should request for a complete bloodwork instead just to reassure me that she is in perfect health. The nice thing about dealing with Shinyoung is her husband is a licenced vet so she can get any testing done at no charge :biggrin: so she actually agreed without hesitation. My other problem is pictures. I want weekly pictures so I can monitor her growth and looks. A 3 week old baby can look sooo different by the time she gets to 15 weeks old. I know that is a lot to ask of a breeder (am not sure if that is common to US breeders to take weekly pictures and share progress reports - like weight and how she is doing) but she willingly agreed and she stood by that request as well so I was already drooling every week until the day of departure :wub: . She also agreed that I can back out anytime if I wanted to. The only thing is I lose half of the deposit, unless I get another one from her so the entire amount will just be transferred to the new puppy. so I thought it was a fair deal.

Seri is fully potty trained . . .Shinyoung told me all her babies are trained on the pad. She also seems to not mind being brushed as she must have gotten used to that since she was very young. So have no regrets at all for getting a puppy . . .she tears but they are all clear and Shinyoung told me no stains as she is all white right after a bath . . .of course she has not started teething yet so that nightmare could come later :smpullhair:

I got lucky as Amanda (that's my daughter's BFF) was traveling to Korea about the same time SeRi will be ready so she brought her back. She said that SeRi was so well behaved . . .

I highly recommend Sunnydales babies . . .and if I ever get the chance for another malt, she will have to be my first and probably ONLY choice :biggrin: . She gave me everything in a malt and more . . . :heart:
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I guess now that my secret is out I am able to respond to this truthfully about my experience.

I actually started looking for a full grown malt sometime last year . .as I know that potty training is a lot of work. I wasn't in a hurry so I was taking my sweet time. Hubby at the time haven't said yes either so there really was no hurry . . I have talked to EVA and this lady is just so very nice and responsive to all my questions. I was hihgly considering a retired malt but have found them larger than the size I was looking for.

I have both Shinemore and sunnydale websites bookmarked as I have drooled over their website when someone first told me about their very existence (thank you Melissa for sending me those sites last hear) but it was early this year that I saw a photo of Lee's (Shinemore) maltese on facebook that got me going.

But before that I have been looking at puppies from different US breeders . .I have all the highly recommended ones likewise bookmarked. I have to say there aren't many who are selling puppies and whenever I see one (which is a rare thing) they don't fall under my standards (I am all about looks only - health of course is at the very top of my list). I am guessing that breeders (those highly reputable ones) have such a long waitlist that there really is no need to publicly post when they have a litter coming up as those on the waitlist are just too eager to buy :biggrin: .

As far as dealing with a korean breeder, I think once you've connected with the right one, it really isn't so hard to transact business. Since my experience was with Sunnydales, I have to say that the only frustrating thing is the time difference. There is no language barrier as far as I am concerned. She speaks very limited english but when she responds I understood her. For those numerous questions I had, I got help from my daughter's best friend's fiance who is korean. So he translated everything for me and she in turn responded back. I haven't checked SeRi's papers at all yet . . .I just saw her passport cover and found it so adorable but to actually browse I have yet to find the time. Shinyoung does not have a contract, and when I asked her about it she said she does not mind creating one but it will be mostly in Korean so it would be pointless anyway. she says she "trades in good faith" as that is the norm I guess with reputable breeders over there but being that I don't know her I was still skeptic. So with the help of a dear friend from SM, she told me I should request for a complete bloodwork instead just to reassure me that she is in perfect health. The nice thing about dealing with Shinyoung is her husband is a licenced vet so she can get any testing done at no charge :biggrin: so she actually agreed without hesitation. My other problem is pictures. I want weekly pictures so I can monitor her growth and looks. A 3 week old baby can look sooo different by the time she gets to 15 weeks old. I know that is a lot to ask of a breeder (am not sure if that is common to US breeders to take weekly pictures and share progress reports - like weight and how she is doing) but she willingly agreed and she stood by that request as well so I was already drooling every week until the day of departure :wub: . She also agreed that I can back out anytime if I wanted to. The only thing is I lose half of the deposit, unless I get another one from her so the entire amount will just be transferred to the new puppy. so I thought it was a fair deal.

Seri is fully potty trained . . .Shinyoung told me all her babies are trained on the pad. She also seems to not mind being brushed as she must have gotten used to that since she was very young. So have no regrets at all for getting a puppy . . .she tears but they are all clear and Shinyoung told me no stains as she is all white right after a bath . . .of course she has not started teething yet so that nightmare could come later :smpullhair:

I got lucky as Amanda (that's my daughter's BFF) was traveling to Korea about the same time SeRi will be ready so she brought her back. She said that SeRi was so well behaved . . .

I highly recommend Sunnydales babies . . .and if I ever get the chance for another malt, she will have to be my first and probably ONLY choice :biggrin: . She gave me everything in a malt and more . . . :heart:[/B]

Thanks Tiger's Mom, for sharing your experience. I was wondering about what it'd be like to get the puppy from Korea having seen your beautiful SeRi, Bijou and the other puppies from Shinemore and Sunnydales. We live in Toronto so it may be too long a flight. It may be feasible to have the puppy flown into Vancouver which should be about the same flight time as to CA and then fly there to pick up the pup. It's 5 hours flight from Vancouver or 4.5 hours from San Francisco. I'm not ready for another puppy yet although I've been drooling over yours, Bijou and all the new pups here on the forum. I'd love another girl to tip the estrogen level around the household :biggrin: but may be it won't be for a few more years. One can dream for now. :p
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There is a direct flight from Korea to Seattle so I am assuming there should be one too direct to vancouver. When Shinyoung and I first discuss shipping she suggested a straight flight is so much better and if that was the case with SeRi travelling that way, she would not let her travel at 15 weeks, instead wait another month or so so she is bigger and older. I am not sure of how much is the cost to travel from toronto to vancouver but am sure not too much of a difference if you just go straight to korea and pick her up LOL . . .I know that when I was looking into some fares from WA to FL it was about almost $700 so a couple of hundreds more (especially if it is not high season for traveling) and that would have taken me to Korea hee-hee . . . if there is ever a flight to korea that will get you there in the morning, am sure Shinyoung can spend the day with you and take you around (I know Andrea said she is such a nice lady and showed her around when she went to pick up Bisou) . . . that way you can stretch your legs a bit and enjoy Korea for the day before you head back home . . .
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