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I sat back yesterday and watched as a story unfolded that seemed foreign to the facts. I felt this was a private matter, and I even told Voilet's Mom I felt it was. When I sent her the email about the problem, I told her in that email that I did not want to embarass her, and that I did not plan to post. The next thing I did was send Joe a PM, telling him that I expected problems, and asked him to monitor this. I told him that I would not post unless I was slandered by the other party. Some of you saw this going on yesterday, and I received a lot of PM's about this.
Now, after reading the posts this morning, I feel that I should speak up, as Violet's agenda is quite obvious.
I am shocked and saddened that someone who I spent so much time trying to help (perhaps ten hours of time emailing and on the phone) would do what she has done. If ever I had a doubt about one of my pups going to her, I don't now.
Our agreement was for payment to be made on the 1st and 15th. As some of you know, my power was out due to the hurricane; however, my friend did respond to Violet and tell her I was OK. When I talked with her by phone on the 5th, she told me she had not put the money in PayPal because of the storm, even though she had been informed by my friend there was no problem with me or the pups. She promised to mail this payment on the 7th. She never told me she did, nor did she ever ask if I received the money. On the 16th, I received an email that she "forgot" to send the second payment, and asked if she could send it by PayPal. I attempted to call her, and I left a voice message about a sweater I had bought for the pup, so she would know it was my call. I called her again on Monday the 19th. We talked for perhaps 30 to 40 minutes, and she didn't mention making further payment. When I mentioned PayPal, the phone went dead. I don't know whether this was due to poor cell phone signal or another reason. But, when I got home, I sent her an email, telling her about the PayPal. I did get some correspondence on the morning of the 20th, but there was no promise of payment. Further emails from her dealt only with the pictures I was sending. I had begun to have other doubts, and the irresponsible handling of payment just reinforced these. At no time have I received any payment for this pup. She keeps harping on my not informing her that I didn't receive the first payment she told me she would send on the 7th, but by the 22nd, she had not even made the other payment that was to be sent out on the 15th. I had explained to her when we first talked that all payment was to be received seven days prior to shipping, as I had to make the vet appointment and schedule the flight time. The email I sent went out on the 21st around midnight, or early on the morning of the 22nd. The pup was to be shipped on the 28th.
Now, for those of you who wanted the rest of the story, you have the part about the money. I will keep the rest private.
This will be my only post on this topic. I did not want to do it, as I did not want to stoop to the level of the posting yesterday. As I told Joe in the PM, I would only speak up if I was being slandered.
I would hope that since there was so much posting on this yesterday with the other side being presented that we can just close this horrible matter at this point.
Joe, can you please close this like you did the other one?
 

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Originally posted by LucyLou@Sep 23 2005, 10:18 AM
I sat back yesterday and watched as a story unfolded that seemed foreign to the facts.  I felt this was a private matter, and I even told Voilet's Mom I felt it was.  When I sent her the email about the problem, I told her in that email that I did not want to embarass her, and that I did not plan to post.  The next thing I did was send Joe a PM, telling him that I expected problems, and asked him to monitor this.  I told him that I would not post unless I was slandered by the other party.  Some of you saw this going on yesterday, and I received a lot of PM's about this. 
Now, after reading the posts this morning, I feel that I should speak up, as Violet's agenda is quite obvious. 
I am shocked and saddened that someone who I spent so much time trying to help (perhaps ten hours of time emailing and on the phone) would do what she has done.  If ever I had a doubt about one of my pups going to her, I don't now.
Our agreement was for payment to be made on the 1st and 15th.  As some of you know, my power was out due to the hurricane; however, my friend did respond to Violet and tell her I was OK.  When I talked with her by phone on the 5th, she told me she had not put the money in PayPal because of the storm, even though she had been informed by my friend there was no problem with me or the pups.  She promised to mail this payment on the 7th.  She never told me she did, nor did she ever ask if I received the money.  On the 16th, I received an email that she "forgot" to send the second payment, and asked if she could send it by PayPal.  I attempted to call her, and I left a voice message about a sweater I had bought for the pup, so she would know it was my call.  I called her again on Monday the 19th.  We talked for perhaps 30 to 40 minutes, and she didn't mention making further payment.  When I mentioned PayPal, the phone went dead.  I don't know whether this was due to poor cell phone signal or another reason.  But, when I got home, I sent her an email, telling her about the PayPal.  I did get some correspondence on the morning of the 20th, but there was no promise of payment.  Further emails from her dealt only with the pictures I was sending.  I had begun to have other doubts, and the irresponsible handling of payment just reinforced these.  At no time have I received any payment for this pup.  She keeps harping on my not informing her that I didn't receive the first payment she told me she would send on the 7th, but by the 22nd, she had not even made the other payment that was to be sent out on the 15th.  I had explained to her when we first talked that all payment was to be received seven days prior to shipping, as I had to make the vet appointment and schedule the flight time.  The email I sent went out on the 21st around midnight, or early on the morning of the 22nd.  The pup was to be shipped on the 28th.
Now, for those of you who wanted the rest of the story, you have the part about the money.  I will keep the rest private. 
This will be my only post on this topic.  I did not want to do it, as I did not want to stoop to the level of the posting yesterday.  As I told Joe in the PM, I would only speak up if I was being slandered.
I would hope that since there was so much posting on this yesterday with the other side being presented that we can just close this horrible matter at this point.
Joe, can you please close this like you did the other one?
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If you like LL, I can post the emails that you sent me. Remember I save EVERYTHING!

Also, let's not tell lies, YOU were the one that said no to the Paypal b/c of the electricity situation. NOT ME!
I would have never thought you'd come on here and LIE blatantly like this but what did I expect!

You claim the phone "went dead" at that point. WHAT A LIE! you KNOW that the phone went dead previously and you called me right back. YOU also told me if the phone were to go dead, you have a better chance of reachine me than I you. So I didn't call you back... and YOU, didn't call me back either. You were allegedly driving somewhere and didn't know your way around so I figured you'd call me when you got home. You never did.

So you are going to sit here and say I never asked you about the money? You never said to me that you didn't go to the post office yet but you will? You are such a LIAR! And yes by LIAR I do indeed mean a LIAR!

If you were honest, you would've just said you got more money for the pup instead of sitting her in your little world telling stories. Darn shame as I would have NEVER expected this. Not in a million years. I deal with Fact... NOT fiction as you seem to be doing here.

Again, I ask, if you like, I can post the emails which prove you are lying as I still have them!
 

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Violet, surely you didn't expect Lucy not to defend herself publicly do you? You gave your side of the story and she has given hers. Posting emails would be wrong as it is private correspondance. I understand your disappointment but you are going about it the wrong way.
I really think it's time to stop the public slander.
 

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Originally posted by Triste@Sep 23 2005, 10:40 AM
Violet, surely you didn't expect Lucy not to defend herself publicly do you? You gave your side of the story and she has given hers. Posting emails would be wrong as it is private correspondance. I understand your disappointment but you are going about it the wrong way. 
  I really think it's time to stop the public slander.
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actually triste, i am not the one publicly slandering anybody. As i said in my post, i speak fact... not fiction. For her to say i never mentioned the money is a full out LIE! she knows I did and she knows what she said to me.
 

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I hope Joe comes soon to close this, Violet...you are becoming attacking. You are allowed to give your side and she is allowed to give hers. It's done. You say your story is correct and she is saying her side. It isn't up to us to decide who is right and who is wrong. However, you are on the attack and it needs to stop. She was just defending herself and she is telling her side as she sees it. There's nothing wrong with it. It isn't up to this forum to decide who is right or wrong. You said you "just" posted so you could say you weren't getting Dash but you went further and started in on the story.

I will not post anymore as I do think it's gonna fuel the fire. Please Violet, consider taking this issue to private conversations.
 

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Originally posted by Triste@Sep 23 2005, 10:49 AM
I hope Joe comes soon to close this, Violet...you are becoming attacking. You are allowed to give your side and she is allowed to give hers. It's done. You say your story is correct and she is saying her side. It isn't up to us to decide who is right and who is wrong. However, you are on the attack and it needs to stop. She was just defending herself and she is telling her side as she sees it. There's nothing wrong with it. It isn't up to this forum to decide who is right or wrong. You said you "just" posted so you could say you weren't getting Dash but you went further and started in on the story. 

I will not post anymore as I do think it's gonna fuel the fire. Please Violet, consider taking this issue to private conversations.
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Again Triste, I will say, when you blatantly LIE about something, you deserve to be "outed". I specifically said I could post the emails if that is what LL wanted. I didn't ask for your confirmation, approval, anything actually. I could care less whether anyone on this forum believes me or not BUT when you lie on my name, it is within my right to make sure fact is spoken and not fiction.

Thanks for responding.
 

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I tried Pm'ing Violet but it seems that she is allowed to accuse someone of being a liar but cannot take the thought of her story NOT being true. Violet if you post those emails, who's to say you aren't altering them to support your "story". I dont' care that you don't care what we think. If you truly didn't care, why are you still posting? Because your name is being drug in the dirt? HELLLLLOOO that is what you are doing to Lucy! I have been asked by Violet not to PM her anymore. Jeez, she can dish out the mud but can't take any in return. :new_Eyecrazy: I chose to take it to PM like it SHOULD be done but she refuses to do so.
 

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Originally posted by Triste@Sep 23 2005, 11:14 AM
I tried Pm'ing Violet but it seems that she is allowed to accuse someone of being a liar but cannot take the thought of her story NOT being true. Violet if you post those emails, who's to say you aren't altering them to support your "story". I dont' care that you don't care what we think. If you truly didn't care, why are you still posting? Because your name is being drug in the dirt? HELLLLLOOO that is what you are doing to Lucy!  I have been asked by Violet not to PM her anymore. Jeez, she can dish out the mud but can't take any in return.  :new_Eyecrazy:
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all i'm going to do is laugh at you but what i really wanted to say to you in my pm was 'mind your own business'
instead of adding fuel to the fire as you said above, why don't you find something else to do with your time.
thanks.
 

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both sides have spoken, take it private ladies, any new threads will be deleted!

carry on, nothing to see here
 
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