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I am so frustrated with Dixies housetraining. I am really trying to be patient, but not getting beyond this point. heres the long and the short of it followed by a couple questions.
Dixie doesn't object to being unclean [ie; covered with pee] she will pe in the crate, pen, anywhere and has no problem walking in it, etc.

She knows the word pee pee. If I take her outdoors to her spot and ask her to go pee pee and she is capable, she will. But, she will also go anywhere, anytime the urge comes upon her. So, atleast we have a connection with the word.

She has a playpen [wire] for daytime, crate for sleeping.

Liver treats everytime she pees outside plus much praise.

breeder and vet instructed free food and water 24/7. it has been impossible for me to train this way [tried

] so I put her on three meals per day and water all the time except in crate from 11pm till 6;00 am. The meals times are fine. She isn't much interested in food and will usually only eat if i feed her. Bad habit, but ok with me.

UTI test came out normal.

been here four weeks.

she is 18 weeks old.

She still piddles all over when excited about being picked up, etc. But not the worrysome "leaking" she experienced in the begining. Must have been nerves about new home, etc.

I have read she should be reducing the fequency of urination by this point, but she still pees little amounts all day long. I bet she goes at a minimum 2 times per hour. Typically more.

Ok, heres the questions.
Two books suggest water should be available only during meals. In Dixies case about 7am, 4pm, 11pm. This isnt enough in my mind. Does this sound ok?

And last question. i was considering giving up the play pen and using the smaller crate during the day instead. Will it help? I didn't think so as she pees in it at night anyway, but it is smaller then the pen. By the way it is a large crate for fifty pound k-9. I put the barrier up to make it small.

Sorry so long. Wanted to give facts. Helpppppppp.......

 

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Originally posted by Fach@Jul 31 2005, 09:53 AM

  I am so frustrated with Dixies housetraining. I am really trying to be patient, but not getting beyond this point. heres the long and the short of it followed by a couple questions.
Dixie doesn't object to being unclean [ie; covered with pee] she will pe in the crate, pen, anywhere and has no problem walking in it, etc.

She knows the word pee pee. If I take her outdoors to her spot and ask her to go pee pee and she is capable, she will. But, she will also go anywhere, anytime the urge comes upon her. So, atleast we have a connection with the word.

She has a playpen [wire] for daytime, crate for sleeping.

Liver treats everytime she pees outside plus much praise.

breeder and vet instructed free food and water 24/7. it has been impossible for me to train this way [tried

] so I put her on three meals per day and water all the time except in crate from 11pm till 6;00 am. The meals times are fine. She isn't much interested in food and will usually only eat if i feed her. Bad habit, but ok with me.

UTI test came out normal.

been here four weeks.

she is 18 weeks old.

She still piddles all over when excited about being picked up, etc. But not the worrysome "leaking" she experienced in the begining. Must have been nerves about new home, etc.

I have read she should be reducing the fequency of urination by this point, but she still pees little amounts all day long. I bet she goes at a minimum 2 times per hour. Typically more.

Ok, heres the questions.
Two books suggest water should be available only during meals. In Dixies case about 7am, 4pm, 11pm. This isnt enough in my mind. Does this sound ok?

And last question. i was considering giving up the play pen and using the smaller crate during the day instead. Will it help? I didn't think so as she pees in it at night anyway, but it is smaller then the pen. By the way it is a large crate for fifty pound k-9. I put the barrier up to make it small.

Sorry so long. Wanted to give facts. Helpppppppp.......
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The urine culture came back normal so it's not a UTI. I use the barrier in the crate in the evening, but she still pees. I am home all day and i am very dilligent about the housetraining. I just don't know what to do. I could use the crate in the day too if need be. I bought the pen b/c I thought she needed more space during the day when i cant watch her close enough. She pees so fast it is almost over before I can react. How about the limiting water. Any in put there?

 

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  I am so frustrated with Dixies housetraining. I am really trying to be patient, but not getting beyond this point. heres the long and the short of it followed by a couple questions.
Dixie doesn't object to being unclean [ie; covered with pee] she will pe in the crate, pen, anywhere and has no problem walking in it, etc.

She knows the word pee pee. If I take her outdoors to her spot and ask her to go pee pee and she is capable, she will. But, she will also go anywhere, anytime the urge comes upon her. So, atleast we have a connection with the word.

She has a playpen [wire] for daytime, crate for sleeping.

Liver treats everytime she pees outside plus much praise.

breeder and vet instructed free food and water 24/7. it has been impossible for me to train this way [tried

] so I put her on three meals per day and water all the time except in crate from 11pm till 6;00 am. The meals times are fine. She isn't much interested in food and will usually only eat if i feed her. Bad habit, but ok with me.

UTI test came out normal.

been here four weeks.

she is 18 weeks old.

She still piddles all over when excited about being picked up, etc. But not the worrysome "leaking" she experienced in the begining. Must have been nerves about new home, etc.

I have read she should be reducing the fequency of urination by this point, but she still pees little amounts all day long. I bet she goes at a minimum 2 times per hour. Typically more.

Ok, heres the questions.
Two books suggest water should be available only during meals. In Dixies case about 7am, 4pm, 11pm. This isnt enough in my mind. Does this sound ok?

And last question. i was considering giving up the play pen and using the smaller crate during the day instead. Will it help? I didn't think so as she pees in it at night anyway, but it is smaller then the pen. By the way it is a large crate for fifty pound k-9. I put the barrier up to make it small.

Sorry so long. Wanted to give facts. Helpppppppp.......
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The urine culture came back normal so it's not a UTI. I use the barrier in the crate in the evening, but she still pees. I am home all day and i am very dilligent about the housetraining. I just don't know what to do. I could use the crate in the day too if need be. I bought the pen b/c I thought she needed more space during the day when i cant watch her close enough. She pees so fast it is almost over before I can react. How about the limiting water. Any in put there?
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forgot to add the pen is not that large. i purposely didn't use all the panels to keep it small enough for training purposes,

 

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Originally posted by littlepeanut@Jul 31 2005, 11:48 AM
I don't like to limit water.  They are just so small and maybe I'm just too paranoid, but I wouldn't want to throw their body's balance out of whack.  Maybe you could just take a few steps back and stick with only the crate for a while.  Then when she gets that down pat, bump her up to the x pen.  Can I ask how much space she has in the crate?  Tic used to poop in the crate and the trainer I spoke with said that he had too much space (even though I though it was a small space).
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It is a large crate for fifty lb. dogs. I wanted extra room for when she is grown and confined. We plan to only use the crate when going out for errands, dinner etc. as i am at home most of the time. The crate came with a barrier which I have used to limit her space to enough to lay down and turn around. very small. As i stated before, as of now, she is only useing the crate for sleeping at night. i too worry about limiting water.

 

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Originally posted by Fach@Jul 31 2005, 09:53 AM

  I am so frustrated with Dixies housetraining. I am really trying to be patient, but not getting beyond this point. heres the long and the short of it followed by a couple questions.
Dixie doesn't object to being unclean [ie; covered with pee] she will pe in the crate, pen, anywhere and has no problem walking in it, etc.

She knows the word pee pee. If I take her outdoors to her spot and ask her to go pee pee and she is capable, she will. But, she will also go anywhere, anytime the urge comes upon her. So, atleast we have a connection with the word.

She has a playpen [wire] for daytime, crate for sleeping.

Liver treats everytime she pees outside plus much praise.

breeder and vet instructed free food and water 24/7. it has been impossible for me to train this way [tried

] so I put her on three meals per day and water all the time except in crate from 11pm till 6;00 am. The meals times are fine. She isn't much interested in food and will usually only eat if i feed her. Bad habit, but ok with me.

UTI test came out normal.

been here four weeks.

she is 18 weeks old.

She still piddles all over when excited about being picked up, etc. But not the worrysome "leaking" she experienced in the begining. Must have been nerves about new home, etc.

I have read she should be reducing the fequency of urination by this point, but she still pees little amounts all day long. I bet she goes at a minimum 2 times per hour. Typically more.

Ok, heres the questions.
Two books suggest water should be available only during meals. In Dixies case about 7am, 4pm, 11pm. This isnt enough in my mind. Does this sound ok?

And last question. i was considering giving up the play pen and using the smaller crate during the day instead. Will it help? I didn't think so as she pees in it at night anyway, but it is smaller then the pen. By the way it is a large crate for fifty pound k-9. I put the barrier up to make it small.

Sorry so long. Wanted to give facts. Helpppppppp.......
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Dr. cathy made a good point about 11 being too late to feed in Pm. i did it because all I have heard and read made me paronoid of hypoglycemia [sp?] I'll make the last feeding earlier. That may solve the crate peeing. she never poos in there. waits until i let her out at 6am. But what about day time???????????? I do not use puppy pads. Would prefer outdoors if possible. thanks so much everyone!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Originally posted by MalteseJane@Jul 31 2005, 08:36 PM
Why don't you put a wee wee pad in her play pen ?
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won't use it. that would only help if the entire playpen floor was covered.

 

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Originally posted by JMM@Jul 31 2005, 08:23 PM
Twice an hour is a lot of urination. I would be concern about other physical problems if she is truly urinating that often - ectopic ureters, stricture, etc.

In the meantime, during waking hours, I would go ahead and take her out that often. The more she is successful, which you have to ensure, the better she will be.
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whe she went in for spaying last monday I discussed the problem with the vet and asked her to keep it in mind while doing surgery. i suppose she didn't find any underlying cause. I will ask again in depth when stitches are removed. is there a test for checking the issues you mentioned?

 

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@Aug 1 2005, 04:07 AM
I was a little reluctant to use a pee-pee pad myself but for Kenji's convenience, I laid one down and haven't found it a bit inconvenient since.  Just plop the poo down the toilet after grabbing it off the piddle pad with some Toilet paper and change the pee pad once a day or when it starts to be too crowding or stained for your dog.  This way, if you are gone for too long, you can rest assure your dog won't be painfully holding it in until you get home.  Poo and pee don't seem to bother me a bit since Kenji has been piddle paddy trained as a pup and I change his pads frequently or as necessary.  It's also helpful to see what the pooch has been digesting and how hard his intestines have been working!  EEwww .. i know to some.. but hey.. i would rather keep an eye out on his matters than not!  

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I'm exactly like you.... I like to make sure everything is coming out OK!!

I love the pads. I would go crazy if I had to take them out in the rain, cold, heat, snow, etc. and wait for them to "go." This way, if we're in the middle of playing and one has to "go", they just go running to their pad...
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I have another dog and don't want confusion issue with whom pees where. he is too big for inside toileting. i do however pick up outside from both dogs and am able to monitor consistancy like you do. i agree it is very important.

 

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Originally posted by ConnieVa@Aug 1 2005, 06:33 AM
When I read what FACH had to say I thought for a min. I had written it and didn't remember.  We are having the same problem.  I have a lot more patience than my husband and don't often have a problem when I am home with Tucker.  My husband it retired and I work.  He spends most of his time in the same room that Tucker is in.

I have talked to him about "signs" and taking him out at the same time during the day.  He thinks the pup needs to tell him when he  needs to go out.  I have explained that at 18 weeks with out the consistency of the owner Tucker will never tell us when he needs to go out.  I have also explained when he takes Tucker out to potty he needs to have a treat ready.  He waits until he brings the puppy back in and then gives him a treat.

Tucker is confined to a crate only large enough to turn around in a curl up in at nights.  There have been a few nights that he has pood in the crate and he didn't mind laying in it.  He will not pee in it though.  It has been a week since he has pood in his crate.  He has a limited space in his x-pen during the day.

Does anyone have advice I can give hubby on this training problem?  He tends to listen to others before he will listen to me.  I think that is a "man" thing!!!!

Please help!!!!  Hubby is so frustrated and I am at my wits end trying to get him to understand me.  As a semi retired dog trainer I know it sometimes takes longer when both parties can't get their "ducks in a row" when it comes to training. 

HELP I need your tips for hubby!!!!!
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keep the treat container outside where the puppy pees. I will actually show one to dixie to prompt here to go. She will if she can. this has helped her understand the word outside and peepee [which also means poop in our home]

 

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Originally posted by Fach@Jul 31 2005, 09:53 AM

  I am so frustrated with Dixies housetraining. I am really trying to be patient, but not getting beyond this point. heres the long and the short of it followed by a couple questions.
Dixie doesn't object to being unclean [ie; covered with pee] she will pe in the crate, pen, anywhere and has no problem walking in it, etc.

She knows the word pee pee. If I take her outdoors to her spot and ask her to go pee pee and she is capable, she will. But, she will also go anywhere, anytime the urge comes upon her. So, atleast we have a connection with the word.

She has a playpen [wire] for daytime, crate for sleeping.

Liver treats everytime she pees outside plus much praise.

breeder and vet instructed free food and water 24/7. it has been impossible for me to train this way [tried

] so I put her on three meals per day and water all the time except in crate from 11pm till 6;00 am. The meals times are fine. She isn't much interested in food and will usually only eat if i feed her. Bad habit, but ok with me.

UTI test came out normal.

been here four weeks.

she is 18 weeks old.

She still piddles all over when excited about being picked up, etc. But not the worrysome "leaking" she experienced in the begining. Must have been nerves about new home, etc.

I have read she should be reducing the fequency of urination by this point, but she still pees little amounts all day long. I bet she goes at a minimum 2 times per hour. Typically more.

Ok, heres the questions.
Two books suggest water should be available only during meals. In Dixies case about 7am, 4pm, 11pm. This isnt enough in my mind. Does this sound ok?

And last question. i was considering giving up the play pen and using the smaller crate during the day instead. Will it help? I didn't think so as she pees in it at night anyway, but it is smaller then the pen. By the way it is a large crate for fifty pound k-9. I put the barrier up to make it small.

Sorry so long. Wanted to give facts. Helpppppppp.......
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lots of good ideas. Thank you. I will keep on it. i think the outcome is;
monitor water [but not too much]
check for underlying physical problems again
last meal of the day is 7pm
pray, pray, pray

 

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Originally posted by Pippinsmom@Aug 1 2005, 10:10 AM
I do not have any advice...just support to let you know that you are not alone.  I have a 3 month old havanese at home right now and we are going thru the same thing.  She will poop and pee in her crate and doesn't mind being covered in pee, jumping in poop, whatever.  I ditched the crate and have her in a 2x4 ex-pen with a pee pad in there and we have gotten to the point where when she is loose in the house she will go in there and poop just about every time, but the pee is another matter.  So I feel your frustrations, hang in there it will get better. 

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thank you for your support. good luck to you as well.

 

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Originally posted by JMM+Aug 1 2005, 05:25 PM-->

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whe she went in for spaying last monday I discussed the problem with the vet and asked her to keep it in mind while doing surgery. i suppose she didn't find any underlying cause. I will ask again in depth when stitches are removed. is there a test for checking the issues you mentioned?
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I would discuss with the vet whether or not this is starting to sounds more like a medical problem or training issue. It can be quite difficult to tell. The first step would be some bloodwork and abdominal radiographs to ensure liver and kidney function is good and there are no stones that can be seen on x-ray. Depending on the findings and your discussion with the vet, an abdominal ultrasound and perhaps a dye study would be the next steps. I would recommend you see an internal medicine specialist for those if it came to that.

I'm not saying it for sure is a medical issue, but urinating every 30 minutes all day long is a lot...
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I will attempt to print out your suggestion and bring it with me on the next appointment. [She has stitches out Thursday] The urine test i had was extensive. The cost was 70.00 so not a standard test. i also had some blood work done prior to surgery, but don't know if it would be helpful here. Thanks for your in put. I will discuss possibilities with the vet. Until then i am going to limit freedom, make final meal earlier, and final water earlier as well. I'll keep you posted.

 

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one week up date!!!!!
Ok, I limited freedom. Downsized the ex pen to make it a small square just large enough for her bed and a place to stand up. Hasn't peed in there since. She doesn't spend much time in there as i am home all day, but if I go out to dinner or something that is where she goes. It is so nice to find it clean when I return

Crate has been dry every morning upon awakening

I did limit water, but I am extremely careful not to allow her to dehydrate. More play = more water, etc. This has helped a lot.

I also have expressed my disproval more clearly when she potties inside. I was too gentle before and she didn't get the picture. I only had to scold her twice before she got the connection. I am not yelling, just clearly not pleased. It is helping

Made last meal of the day 6 o'clock as suggested, but allow her a small drink before bed. It is working well. Only drwback is that she now will only eat two meals per day instead of three. Hope that is ok.

Still a long way to go, but making great headway

Still peeing very frequently. Seems like I spend much of the day out by the front stoop, but better than cleaning the floor

Thanks for all the help everyone. Keep pulling for " Dixie the doodle-er"

 

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one week up date!!!!!
Ok, I limited freedom. Downsized the ex pen to make it a small square just large enough for her bed and a place to stand up. Hasn't peed in there since. She doesn't spend much time in there as i am home all day, but if I go out to dinner or something that is where she goes. It is so nice to find it clean when I return 

Crate has been dry every morning upon awakening 

I did limit water, but I am extremely careful not to allow her to dehydrate. More play = more water, etc. This has helped a lot.

I also have expressed my disproval more clearly when she potties inside. I was too gentle before and she didn't get the picture. I only had to scold her twice before she got the connection. I am not yelling, just clearly not pleased. It is helping

Made last meal of the day 6 o'clock as suggested, but allow her a small drink before bed. It is working well. Only drwback is that she now will only eat two meals per day instead of three. Hope that is ok.

Still a long way to go, but making great headway

  Still peeing very frequently. Seems like I spend much of the day out by the front stoop, but better than cleaning the floor

Thanks for all the help everyone. Keep pulling for " Dixie the doodle-er"

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She is over 4 months old so she is old enough to only get 2 meals a day.

Glad to hear potty training is going well.

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Thanks for letting me know. I was worried she wasn't ready for just two per day. Now I feel better.

 

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My mom has a rug shampooer that I use all the time.  I think I need a heavy duty cleaser though.  Any ideas?  And does anyone have any suggestions on what to do to stop him having these accidents?  He should be trained by now shouldn't he?  It sound like everyone else's dogs were trained by 6 months!  Is Puddy just being bratty?
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6 month is still a little early to expect much by then they should be able to hold it for i think like 4 hours but it realy depends the puppy. by then they should know where to go potty but may still have accients. Like at 6 month chelsey already new where to go but she still has an acciendent now and then , she is 1 year old.

I know most don't believe in crate training but for use it makes it easier to train especially when you have carpets in your home. The rule is every time you let them out of the crate even to play or brush there hair, you take them to the area where you want them to potty. Chelsey is so smart now, not that she wasn't before

the other day I opened the crate and was washing the dishes... I did not even remember to tell her to go potty. Well she ran right over to her pee pad litter box, I normally side it under the living room table to keep out of site. So she could not get to it. She came running over to get me... and then ran back to the area, I was thinking hum what up with you Chelsey. Then I followed her and noticed the wee wee pad was out of reach for her. So I pulled it out and away she went. What a smart cookie.
Now when she was younger and if she could not hold it she would have went right in front of my feet. So yes I would agree if the accident it sin the home it mostly our fault one way or an other. Other suggestion that was given to me for training by JMM was to leash puppy to you for every waking moment in the day... so you can catch them just as they are ready to go.. This also worked for me. I'm not sure if you’re using wee wee pads, but what we did was put one in the living room, the basement and kitchen. When your puppy get really trained them you can remove them one by one. Any way Chelsey accident are normally poo in her crate not peeing. Yep she will still do this occasionally ... It's weird she will only let us know when she has to pee for the pooing, it all timing issue.. Cause if she can find one little space in her crate she will just do it in there.. It is just the norm for her. She does poo on her pad as well so no problem there. Except for her occasional poo in crate i would say Chelsey is 97% trained... Any way I will stop rambling on here...

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cute babies! We are still working on the house training. Hopefully it will improve little by little as some have mentioned. It would be much easier if she wasn't going every 25 minutes or so. No choice but to keep with it and that is what I plan to do. But ooooo how i can't wait to have the carpet cleaners in..........