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Originally posted by JMM@Jul 31 2005, 08:23 PM
Twice an hour is a lot of urination. I would be concern about other physical problems if she is truly urinating that often - ectopic ureters, stricture, etc.

In the meantime, during waking hours, I would go ahead and take her out that often. The more she is successful, which you have to ensure, the better she will be.
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whe she went in for spaying last monday I discussed the problem with the vet and asked her to keep it in mind while doing surgery. i suppose she didn't find any underlying cause. I will ask again in depth when stitches are removed. is there a test for checking the issues you mentioned?

 

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@Aug 1 2005, 04:07 AM
I was a little reluctant to use a pee-pee pad myself but for Kenji's convenience, I laid one down and haven't found it a bit inconvenient since.  Just plop the poo down the toilet after grabbing it off the piddle pad with some Toilet paper and change the pee pad once a day or when it starts to be too crowding or stained for your dog.  This way, if you are gone for too long, you can rest assure your dog won't be painfully holding it in until you get home.  Poo and pee don't seem to bother me a bit since Kenji has been piddle paddy trained as a pup and I change his pads frequently or as necessary.  It's also helpful to see what the pooch has been digesting and how hard his intestines have been working!  EEwww .. i know to some.. but hey.. i would rather keep an eye out on his matters than not!  

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I'm exactly like you.... I like to make sure everything is coming out OK!!

I love the pads. I would go crazy if I had to take them out in the rain, cold, heat, snow, etc. and wait for them to "go." This way, if we're in the middle of playing and one has to "go", they just go running to their pad...
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I have another dog and don't want confusion issue with whom pees where. he is too big for inside toileting. i do however pick up outside from both dogs and am able to monitor consistancy like you do. i agree it is very important.

 

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Originally posted by ConnieVa@Aug 1 2005, 06:33 AM
When I read what FACH had to say I thought for a min. I had written it and didn't remember.  We are having the same problem.  I have a lot more patience than my husband and don't often have a problem when I am home with Tucker.  My husband it retired and I work.  He spends most of his time in the same room that Tucker is in.

I have talked to him about "signs" and taking him out at the same time during the day.  He thinks the pup needs to tell him when he  needs to go out.  I have explained that at 18 weeks with out the consistency of the owner Tucker will never tell us when he needs to go out.  I have also explained when he takes Tucker out to potty he needs to have a treat ready.  He waits until he brings the puppy back in and then gives him a treat.

Tucker is confined to a crate only large enough to turn around in a curl up in at nights.  There have been a few nights that he has pood in the crate and he didn't mind laying in it.  He will not pee in it though.  It has been a week since he has pood in his crate.  He has a limited space in his x-pen during the day.

Does anyone have advice I can give hubby on this training problem?  He tends to listen to others before he will listen to me.  I think that is a "man" thing!!!!

Please help!!!!  Hubby is so frustrated and I am at my wits end trying to get him to understand me.  As a semi retired dog trainer I know it sometimes takes longer when both parties can't get their "ducks in a row" when it comes to training. 

HELP I need your tips for hubby!!!!!
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keep the treat container outside where the puppy pees. I will actually show one to dixie to prompt here to go. She will if she can. this has helped her understand the word outside and peepee [which also means poop in our home]

 

[fach]

Originally posted by Fach@Jul 31 2005, 09:53 AM

  I am so frustrated with Dixies housetraining. I am really trying to be patient, but not getting beyond this point. heres the long and the short of it followed by a couple questions.
Dixie doesn't object to being unclean [ie; covered with pee] she will pe in the crate, pen, anywhere and has no problem walking in it, etc.

She knows the word pee pee. If I take her outdoors to her spot and ask her to go pee pee and she is capable, she will. But, she will also go anywhere, anytime the urge comes upon her. So, atleast we have a connection with the word.

She has a playpen [wire] for daytime, crate for sleeping.

Liver treats everytime she pees outside plus much praise.

breeder and vet instructed free food and water 24/7. it has been impossible for me to train this way [tried

] so I put her on three meals per day and water all the time except in crate from 11pm till 6;00 am. The meals times are fine. She isn't much interested in food and will usually only eat if i feed her. Bad habit, but ok with me.

UTI test came out normal.

been here four weeks.

she is 18 weeks old.

She still piddles all over when excited about being picked up, etc. But not the worrysome "leaking" she experienced in the begining. Must have been nerves about new home, etc.

I have read she should be reducing the fequency of urination by this point, but she still pees little amounts all day long. I bet she goes at a minimum 2 times per hour. Typically more.

Ok, heres the questions.
Two books suggest water should be available only during meals. In Dixies case about 7am, 4pm, 11pm. This isnt enough in my mind. Does this sound ok?

And last question. i was considering giving up the play pen and using the smaller crate during the day instead. Will it help? I didn't think so as she pees in it at night anyway, but it is smaller then the pen. By the way it is a large crate for fifty pound k-9. I put the barrier up to make it small.

Sorry so long. Wanted to give facts. Helpppppppp.......
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lots of good ideas. Thank you. I will keep on it. i think the outcome is;
monitor water [but not too much]
check for underlying physical problems again
last meal of the day is 7pm
pray, pray, pray

 

[Pippinsmom]

I do not have any advice...just support to let you know that you are not alone. I have a 3 month old havanese at home right now and we are going thru the same thing. She will poop and pee in her crate and doesn't mind being covered in pee, jumping in poop, whatever. I ditched the crate and have her in a 2x4 ex-pen with a pee pad in there and we have gotten to the point where when she is loose in the house she will go in there and poop just about every time, but the pee is another matter. So I feel your frustrations, hang in there it will get better.

 

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Originally posted by Pippinsmom@Aug 1 2005, 10:10 AM
I do not have any advice...just support to let you know that you are not alone.  I have a 3 month old havanese at home right now and we are going thru the same thing.  She will poop and pee in her crate and doesn't mind being covered in pee, jumping in poop, whatever.  I ditched the crate and have her in a 2x4 ex-pen with a pee pad in there and we have gotten to the point where when she is loose in the house she will go in there and poop just about every time, but the pee is another matter.  So I feel your frustrations, hang in there it will get better. 

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thank you for your support. good luck to you as well.

 

[ConnieVa]

I had to take the pee pads out as Tucker would chew them up. One day he is good and the next he messes up a lot.

 

[elliesmomie]

when i started to potty train l.e. it seemed like my entire apartment was covered with pee pads. whenever she would find a place that wasn't covered with a pee pad and would start to go potty, i would pick her up in the middle of her going, and place her on a pad. as the weeks went by i reduced the amount of pee pads until we finally just have two inside now. in my effort to teach her to go outside, i put a pee pad next to each door so she would know that she should be going outside. nowadays she prefers to go outside, but will go inside on the pee pads if i don't open the door for her (i.e. if i'm not home or sleeping or something).

it was a very frustrating process for me and l.e. my boyfriend at the time, couldn't understand why some days i would get so frustrated and have to sit and cry for a minute because i couldn't handle picking up one more accident!

i felt like that's all i was doing was picking up pee and poop. but never the less we got through it and now at six months l.e. is a pro at it.

something that i did that helped the night time pee pee accidents was pick up her water bowl at about 7:30-8. someone in this group suggested it a while back and it totally helped! sorry to whomever it was that suggested it, you are a savior!

 

[doctorcathy]

just putting a wee wee pad in the playpen isnt going to do anything. i still had to TEACH the girls what the wee wee pads were for. and if your dog gets bored, then he'll rip them up.

during the day...how long is the dog alone?

 

[ConnieVa]

as for me, my dog is not alone any. Hubby is retired and with him all the time. We had to take pee pads out of the xpen. Some days are so much better than others.

Thanks for all the support

 

[jmm]

Originally posted by Fach@Aug 1 2005, 09:37 AM
whe she went in for spaying last monday I discussed the problem with the vet and asked her to keep it in mind while doing surgery. i suppose she didn't find any underlying cause. I will ask again in depth when stitches are removed. is there a test for checking the issues you mentioned?
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I would discuss with the vet whether or not this is starting to sounds more like a medical problem or training issue. It can be quite difficult to tell. The first step would be some bloodwork and abdominal radiographs to ensure liver and kidney function is good and there are no stones that can be seen on x-ray. Depending on the findings and your discussion with the vet, an abdominal ultrasound and perhaps a dye study would be the next steps. I would recommend you see an internal medicine specialist for those if it came to that.

I'm not saying it for sure is a medical issue, but urinating every 30 minutes all day long is a lot...

 

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whe she went in for spaying last monday I discussed the problem with the vet and asked her to keep it in mind while doing surgery. i suppose she didn't find any underlying cause. I will ask again in depth when stitches are removed. is there a test for checking the issues you mentioned?
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I would discuss with the vet whether or not this is starting to sounds more like a medical problem or training issue. It can be quite difficult to tell. The first step would be some bloodwork and abdominal radiographs to ensure liver and kidney function is good and there are no stones that can be seen on x-ray. Depending on the findings and your discussion with the vet, an abdominal ultrasound and perhaps a dye study would be the next steps. I would recommend you see an internal medicine specialist for those if it came to that.

I'm not saying it for sure is a medical issue, but urinating every 30 minutes all day long is a lot...
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I will attempt to print out your suggestion and bring it with me on the next appointment. [She has stitches out Thursday] The urine test i had was extensive. The cost was 70.00 so not a standard test. i also had some blood work done prior to surgery, but don't know if it would be helpful here. Thanks for your in put. I will discuss possibilities with the vet. Until then i am going to limit freedom, make final meal earlier, and final water earlier as well. I'll keep you posted.

 

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whe she went in for spaying last monday I discussed the problem with the vet and asked her to keep it in mind while doing surgery. i suppose she didn't find any underlying cause. I will ask again in depth when stitches are removed. is there a test for checking the issues you mentioned?
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I would discuss with the vet whether or not this is starting to sounds more like a medical problem or training issue. It can be quite difficult to tell. The first step would be some bloodwork and abdominal radiographs to ensure liver and kidney function is good and there are no stones that can be seen on x-ray. Depending on the findings and your discussion with the vet, an abdominal ultrasound and perhaps a dye study would be the next steps. I would recommend you see an internal medicine specialist for those if it came to that.

I'm not saying it for sure is a medical issue, but urinating every 30 minutes all day long is a lot...
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I will attempt to print out your suggestion and bring it with me on the next appointment. [She has stitches out Thursday] The urine test i had was extensive. The cost was 70.00 so not a standard test. i also had some blood work done prior to surgery, but don't know if it would be helpful here. Thanks for your in put. I will discuss possibilities with the vet. Until then i am going to limit freedom, make final meal earlier, and final water earlier as well. I'll keep you posted.
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I sure hope everything will be OK with Dixie. I truly can imagine your frustration, etc. Kallie was just terribly difficult to potty train. My first Maltese, Rosebud, was trained almost immediately but as I mentioned before, it took Kallie a year. She peed in her crate every day when I was at work and just didn't seem to "get it". But little by little she got better and then one day I realized she was going on her pad like she should, etc. So, there is hope... but I know... a year probably seems like waaaaay too long!

I hope that the cause of this is training and not medical. A new puppy is stressful enough without this added worry and frustration. I sure hope things get better.

 

[fach]

one week up date!!!!!
Ok, I limited freedom. Downsized the ex pen to make it a small square just large enough for her bed and a place to stand up. Hasn't peed in there since. She doesn't spend much time in there as i am home all day, but if I go out to dinner or something that is where she goes. It is so nice to find it clean when I return

Crate has been dry every morning upon awakening

I did limit water, but I am extremely careful not to allow her to dehydrate. More play = more water, etc. This has helped a lot.

I also have expressed my disproval more clearly when she potties inside. I was too gentle before and she didn't get the picture. I only had to scold her twice before she got the connection. I am not yelling, just clearly not pleased. It is helping

Made last meal of the day 6 o'clock as suggested, but allow her a small drink before bed. It is working well. Only drwback is that she now will only eat two meals per day instead of three. Hope that is ok.

Still a long way to go, but making great headway

Still peeing very frequently. Seems like I spend much of the day out by the front stoop, but better than cleaning the floor

Thanks for all the help everyone. Keep pulling for " Dixie the doodle-er"

 

[LexiAndNikkisMom]

Originally posted by Fach@Aug 8 2005, 08:53 AM
one week up date!!!!!
Ok, I limited freedom. Downsized the ex pen to make it a small square just large enough for her bed and a place to stand up. Hasn't peed in there since. She doesn't spend much time in there as i am home all day, but if I go out to dinner or something that is where she goes. It is so nice to find it clean when I return 

Crate has been dry every morning upon awakening 

I did limit water, but I am extremely careful not to allow her to dehydrate. More play = more water, etc. This has helped a lot.

I also have expressed my disproval more clearly when she potties inside. I was too gentle before and she didn't get the picture. I only had to scold her twice before she got the connection. I am not yelling, just clearly not pleased. It is helping

Made last meal of the day 6 o'clock as suggested, but allow her a small drink before bed. It is working well. Only drwback is that she now will only eat two meals per day instead of three. Hope that is ok.

Still a long way to go, but making great headway

  Still peeing very frequently. Seems like I spend much of the day out by the front stoop, but better than cleaning the floor

Thanks for all the help everyone. Keep pulling for " Dixie the doodle-er"

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She is over 4 months old so she is old enough to only get 2 meals a day.

Glad to hear potty training is going well.

 

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one week up date!!!!!
Ok, I limited freedom. Downsized the ex pen to make it a small square just large enough for her bed and a place to stand up. Hasn't peed in there since. She doesn't spend much time in there as i am home all day, but if I go out to dinner or something that is where she goes. It is so nice to find it clean when I return 

Crate has been dry every morning upon awakening 

I did limit water, but I am extremely careful not to allow her to dehydrate. More play = more water, etc. This has helped a lot.

I also have expressed my disproval more clearly when she potties inside. I was too gentle before and she didn't get the picture. I only had to scold her twice before she got the connection. I am not yelling, just clearly not pleased. It is helping

Made last meal of the day 6 o'clock as suggested, but allow her a small drink before bed. It is working well. Only drwback is that she now will only eat two meals per day instead of three. Hope that is ok.

Still a long way to go, but making great headway

  Still peeing very frequently. Seems like I spend much of the day out by the front stoop, but better than cleaning the floor

Thanks for all the help everyone. Keep pulling for " Dixie the doodle-er"

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She is over 4 months old so she is old enough to only get 2 meals a day.

Glad to hear potty training is going well.

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Thanks for letting me know. I was worried she wasn't ready for just two per day. Now I feel better.

 

[Terri]

Puddy is going to be 2 years old in October and he is still having accidents in the house. Sometimes he'll go for weeks without a problem then he'll have 2 accidents in one week. Should it take this long to fully get them trained? Of course I never catch him in the act, I just find the spot later. My carpets are smelling but I don't want to get them professionally cleaned until I break him of this habit! Please, please help!!

 

[LexiAndNikkisMom]

Originally posted by Terri@Aug 16 2005, 12:07 PM
Puddy is going to be 2 years old in October and he is still having accidents in the house.  Sometimes he'll go for weeks without a problem then he'll have 2 accidents in one week.  Should it take this long to fully get them trained?  Of course I never catch him in the act, I just find the spot later.  My carpets are smelling but I don't want to get them professionally cleaned until I break him of this habit!  Please, please help!!
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Instead of getting your carpets cleaned I would use the money and by your own carpet cleaner. It is about the same price and they are so handy to have. My parents have had one for years. We have saved so much money. All of my relatives have borrowed it. In fact I'm going to be bringing it back to Des Moines with me the next time I go home.

 

[Chelsey]

Originally posted by Terri@Aug 16 2005, 01:07 PM
Puddy is going to be 2 years old in October and he is still having accidents in the house.  Sometimes he'll go for weeks without a problem then he'll have 2 accidents in one week.  Should it take this long to fully get them trained?  Of course I never catch him in the act, I just find the spot later.  My carpets are smelling but I don't want to get them professionally cleaned until I break him of this habit!  Please, please help!!
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I know you don't want to clean the carpet but the smell is what might be makeing him go there again. The nature miricle is really good for getting rid of the smell for spot cleaning

Good Idea lexi's mom... i forgot about that . We also have a carpet cleaner. it was like 200.00 canadian, but very convient and worth the money. We also lend it out to others.

 

[k/c mom]

Originally posted by Terri@Aug 16 2005, 01:07 PM
Puddy is going to be 2 years old in October and he is still having accidents in the house.  Sometimes he'll go for weeks without a problem then he'll have 2 accidents in one week.  Should it take this long to fully get them trained?  Of course I never catch him in the act, I just find the spot later.  My carpets are smelling but I don't want to get them professionally cleaned until I break him of this habit!  Please, please help!!
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Mine are the same..... they are fine 99.9999% of the time then all of a sudden... an "accident". For example, when I let them out of their crates when I get home, the first thing I usually do is take them to the pads to "go". But if I don't do that and let them in the rest of the house first, sometimes they'll go there..... I guess they have an "accident" about every couple months or so... maybe a little less...

I still have to make sure they have the opportunity to "go" where they are supposed to.... BTW Kallie is three and Catcher is one.