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Ok, for those new ones...I will update you...

My 11-12 year old cat, Spencer, has had litterbox issues for about 6 years. It started as just poo and here in the last year or two, has developed into urinating also. He has favorite spots around the house....and although I hated the poo, I could handle it much easier than the urine!


He has been on several behavioral meds, had tests run by two vets...and nobody can find anything wrong with him. They say it is behavioral. I have tried everything. Separate litter boxes, new litter....and more.
My bedroom floor on one side is completely covered with wee pads because that is where he was urinating. At first, the wee pads deterred him...then he decided to just use the wee pads. I tolerated this.

THEN, this weekend...he started using the wee pad in Brinkley's kitchen litterbox.
At first, I thought..."Whatever-it is better than the carpet!"
BUT THEN....he kept missing the box....and he would pee OUTSIDE the box and cover the floor and wall and it would go all UNDER the wee pad and I had to clean/bleach the litterbox three times in ONE day!
This morning he decided to also poo in that box, which Brinkley immediately snatched up as a morning snack!


I am at my wits end. Neither vet had any more ideas. My stress level with him is at a limit. I love him and my son adores him. He was my son's first pet, although my husband and I had him before we got married. He was OUR first child. But this has got to stop. Anyone who has delt with cat urine understands my frustration.

One person on here, whom I wholeheartedly respect...said she would either go to a specialist (which is out of our area by like 6 hours!) or put him to sleep.
I hate the thought of that for a behavioral issue...but I am starting to HATE him...and I don't like that feeling. Other than this he acts/looks/seems completely normal. If he was ill/sick it would be different...but the behavioral part that I can't control or understand is driving me insane!!!!

My other options are cat diapers-(which would be a pain in the butt for all of us)
A crate/pen-(which is where he is right now, and he is NOT happy-and that is not the way to live every day)

Anybody else have any ideas or opinions?!
I hate feeling this way...but he is out of control!
 

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wish I could help.... I don't know.. BUT, I do have excellent resources, so I will check. I've got a co worker that has 32 cats living with her... aint that sick. anyway, i'll ask her for her opinion.
 

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Have you tried limiting him to one room. Food and litter box only, you can get some plastic drop sheets to lay around the room. There must be something environmental that is causing his behavior, and he isnt telling you
, so being confined to one room should eliminate that stress (for both of you) cats, unlike dogs can be content in their own space. You and the kids can visit him a couple of times a day for cuddle and play time. I know how stinky cat pee is and how frustrated you must be, but having him PTS is so drastic.
 

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Traci, I'm so sorry you are still going through this with Spencer. I wish I could offer some advice, but I don't know a thing about cats. I hope you can find the answer you are looking for
 

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Originally posted by tag@Sep 19 2005, 06:24 PM
Have you tried limiting him to one room. Food and litter box only, you can get some plastic drop sheets to lay around the room.  There must be something environmental that is causing his behavior, and he isnt telling you
, so being confined to one room should eliminate that stress (for both of you) cats, unlike dogs can be content in their own space.  You and the kids can visit him a couple of times a day for cuddle and play time.  I know how stinky cat pee is and how frustrated you must be, but having him PTS is so drastic.
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We really have no space to put him in a room by himself.
The cats have taken over our spare 1/2 bath as it is. We have a very small house. -_- That is why I have put him in the crate for now. It is a large crate...for like a lab+ size dog...so he has plenty of room. But that is not a permanent solution. -_-
 

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My girlfriend and her husband just had to make the same decision. Their cat Buddy, was an Abasinian (sp), who was about 10 years old was doing the exact same thing your cat Spencer is doing. She just couldn't take it anymore with 2 other cats and a dog, plus working full-time. They spent thousands and thousand of dollars on him trying to figure out what was wrong, he had other issues besides the urinating everywhere. She, like you was starting to hate the cat....and decided to put him down. She misses him like crazy but at the same time is very relieved about her decision. Good luck with your decision, I know I support whatever you decide and hopefully everyone here will too.
 

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I asked my question on a cat forum the other night...
One of them let me know that the Ovaban he was on for several years off and on has the side effect of feline diabetes. He is showing several of those signs, but not the weight loss. Anyway...I think sometime this week I am going to get him to the vet to have them double check that in blood and urine.
 

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I had a male neutered Burmese who would do the exact same thing and my vet then put him on a hormone treatment as she said it sometimes happens with male cats that are neutered that their hormones go out of balance. I see you had him on Ovaban is that for that probelm? If not you could ask your vet about that and also I think he was on something to calm him down because he was a high strung cat as well and would get frightened very easily. These two combined treatments actually cured the problem and he was able to eventually be taken off both meds and he never had that problem again. Just another question for the vet perhaps...
 

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Originally posted by Scoobydoo@Sep 21 2005, 08:59 AM
I had a male neutered Burmese who would do the exact same thing and my vet then put him on a hormone treatment as she said it sometimes happens with male cats that are neutered that their hormones go out of balance. I see you had him on Ovaban is that for that probelm? If not you could ask your vet about that and also I think he was on something to calm him down because he was a high strung cat as well and would get frightened very easily. These two combined treatments actually cured the problem and he was able to eventually be taken off both meds and he never had that problem again. Just another question for the vet perhaps...

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Yes, the Ovaban was for behavioral treatment. It didn't work.
He is definetely not high-strung...but the vet thoughtt he ovaban would help with his problem when he was pooping. Now I am afraid that the ovaban treatment might have caused something worse as a side effect.


I love him to pieces and he HATES being in the crate...but he doesn't run and hide under the bed...so it can't be TOO bad for him.

I just wish I could control it.
 

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Originally posted by tlunn+Sep 21 2005, 10:02 AM-->
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I had a male neutered Burmese who would do the exact same thing and my vet then put him on a hormone treatment as she said it sometimes happens with male cats that are neutered that their hormones go out of balance. I see you had him on Ovaban is that for that probelm? If not you could ask your vet about that and also I think he was on something to calm him down because he was a high strung cat as well and would get frightened very easily. These two combined treatments actually cured the problem and he was able to eventually be taken off both meds and he never had that problem again. Just another question for the vet perhaps...

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Yes, the Ovaban was for behavioral treatment. It didn't work.
He is definetely not high-strung...but the vet thoughtt he ovaban would help with his problem when he was pooping. Now I am afraid that the ovaban treatment might have caused something worse as a side effect.


I love him to pieces and he HATES being in the crate...but he doesn't run and hide under the bed...so it can't be TOO bad for him.

I just wish I could control it.
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Oh I am sorry to hear that, my boy had no problems with the Oviban I guess because he wasn't on it that long so he had no side effects. He was a lovely cat too but he had a problem with strangers etc and used run and hide if someone came to the house that he didn't know, yet he would boss my Rottie around like he was fearless, wierd hey!!!!! Of course my Rottie was such a placid dog though and he adored all 4 of my cats and my cockatoo as well.
 

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I did a little research and you are absolutely right, Ovaban can cause feline diabetes.

You say Spencer has some of the symptoms - have you noticed him drinking more water than usual?

As you know, my Lady is a diabetic. The test is very simple and inexpensive. I'd take him to your vet asap and get it done.

I don't envy your situation. I have been really lucky not to have had that problem with any of my kitties, but both my mom and sister have. Both tried everything, as you have, but both ended up having to have them put to sleep. But in both their cases the cats were spraying which is really mental/behavioral. Spencer's not really spraying, just going outside the box, right?

I pray it's something physical that can be corrected.
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Sep 21 2005, 12:18 PM
Spencer's not really spraying, just going outside the box, right?

I pray it's something physical that can be corrected.
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Yes, he is def. urinating, not spraying. It is in large amounts.
When he used the wee pad
it is soaked completely when he is done. I have no option but to toss it...
He has always been a large eater/drinker. The kind that stopped to nibble/drink just b/c someone went in the kitchen, or he walked by the bowl.
The cats and Brinkley all drink out of Brink's bowl, although they have another dish up on the crate with their food. I am having to fill his water dish more...but other than that, it is hard to tell WHO is eating or drinking what in my house.
 

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My little champagne Burmese became diebtic and he went right off his food and drink, I mean he didn't eat anything or drink either and when I took him to the vet he was dehydrated and had to stay over on intra-venus fluids till he was stablized, then he was diagnosed with diabetes. You may be lucky in that Spencer isn't actually diabetic, but you need to treat the cause of his behaviour or take whatever action is necessary because you can't go on cleaning up after him and there is nothing worse than the odur of cat urine in the house, that's for sure.

By the way that wasn't the cat I had problems with peeing in the house that was the Brown Burmese. I had 4 Burmese boys at one time and they were beautiful cats.
 

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Well, they did a blood test and everything came back perfectly normal.


She tried to do a urine, but he wouldn't cooperate, so I have to try and take her in a sample. She said there might be something to show up in urine, but not likely.
She said, she is more apt to say it is purely behavioral...and from the 30 minutes she was with him...she said she could tell he was the kind of cat that pretty much didn't care what you thought. He was gonna do what he wanted. YEP! That has always been Spencer!


There is not much more to do if it is behavioral and all the tests come back clear.
She said put objects in the places where he has peed. Did that...he found a new spot.
Did it again, he found another spot.

She said a food change may help, but she doubted it. He is already on Science Diet.

I am SO frustrated...I don't know what to do. -_-
 
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