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Originally posted by Kay@Aug 4 2005, 06:31 AM
We had a terrible experience a few days ago.  My Maltese and I were visiting my mother and a neighbor's dog suddenly very viciously came after my dog.  If I had not had my dog on a leash and the patio gated, I'm sure he would have killed my dog.  The dog that attacked runs off leash with other big dogs and seems to get along well with them.  Thank goodness that this was one time the owner had him on a leash.

I was talking to my dog's breeder and he said to keep the Maltese away from big dogs.  He said that some bigger dogs will turn on a small dog and kill it regardless of how friendly they seem with other dogs their own size.  I've had two nights of nightmares now reliving the possibilities.

I don't even want to socialize my dog now.  I'm scared to death for him to be around anything larger than 10 pounds anymore.

By the way, I had to hold my little lion-hearted 7 pounder back.  He also got aggressive in return and tried to go after the big dog.  I understood his anger completely - I wanted to go after the dog, too, but I'm not 7 pounds.  By the way, this big dog wasn't a normally vicious breed - it was a golden retriever but the terribly vicious way in which it came after my dog reminded me of a pit bull.  So I'm just posting this FYI.  I'll never trust another dog around my dog again.
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I am sorry that this happened to you. We also had an unpleasant run-in with a large husky mix just yesterday. The dog was snapping and seemed ready to eat my baby. Of course, my baby is a 7 lb bully who probably started it, but that dog could have had Miko for lunch (he was huge). I totally understand how you feel. I feel like never letting Miko around big dogs (but of course he gets their attention by barking and growling at them first).
 

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Originally posted by dhodina@Aug 4 2005, 07:38 AM
As someone who does pit bull rescue that comment about pit bulls completely irrated and annoyed me.  Check your facts before comments like that.
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I often speak about lots of subjects without "checking my facts". I realize that you weren't trying to be rude, but this cameoff kinda rude. JMO
 

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The frightening thing is that here in North Carolina, most of the pit bull attacks are by family dogs on small children while they are visiting their grandparents, aunts, etc., not by chained dogs in the neighborhood. As others have pointed out, where is the supervision?

Another big problem here is loose pit bulls attacking passersby. Almost weekly here there are reports of this on the local news, often elderly woman walking their own dog or a child on a bicycle.

In all these cases, obviously there is a lack of responsibility on the part of the dog's owner. I view pits, rotties and the like as similar to having a loaded gun in the house. In the hands of some people it may be totally safe, but the potential for disaster and tragedy goes way up when they are in the hands of irresponsible people.

Unfortunately, we can't regulate who owns a pit bull, unless there is an incident, like we can regulate who buys a gun.

It's too bad there isn't some sort of competency test required to own a dog, not just specific breeds!
 

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Yes it was a case of the dog protecting its food.
Do you remember the pics I posted of my big red dobie. Well one day I took her with me when I went to vote, of course there are a lot of people there and children too. This dog was such a beautiful natured girl and loved children. While I was there a little girl came over to me and Shari, who was sitting quietly by my side as always, this little girl would have been about 7 I reckon and she obviously loved dogs and Shari was a beautiful looking animal, well that little girl just walked straight up to her and threw her arms around Sharie's neck and gave her a big hug and kiss, much to Shari's delight I might add. Well the mother of the girl had left her child unsupervised outside while she was inside voting, how bad is that in this day and age? Out comes the mother, sees her daughter hugging this huge doberman and screams at the top of her voice for her child to get away from that horrible animal. Well you can imagine my response to that, and of course Shari got a big fright, and the child began to cry for her mother's tirade, but there was Shari totally unphased and feeling sorry for the little girl she gave her a huge kiss on the cheek and moved away to the other side of me. My point is, I trained my dogs and socialized them thoroughly and had absolutely no fear of her harming that little girl in that instance, but, I still would never allow her to be alone with any child unsupervised because it is not the dog I didn't trust it is the child and what a child is capabale of to provoke a situation that is avoidable. This is her with my daughter.
 

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I agree that pit bulls breed seem to be owned by the "wrong" kind of people.... I don't know why but the breed seems to attract low life and thugs. People use them for fighting and often tie them up. I would imagine that they are abused more than most breeds. That is a shame.
 

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I'm glad that you and your puppy are safe and were not hurt in anyway. Thanks for the worning. This also happened to me with my first maltese... Up to this day I don't know what set off the other dog but thank the hevens that it was on a leash and the owner was able to hold it back. My friend and i were just walking down a busy road with missy my first malt and all of a sudden the other dog went nuts . I quicky scooped up missy and ran across the street. Missy never even notice the other dog was after her. again I'm glad you and puppy are well and safe.
 

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Originally posted by Carrie+Aug 4 2005, 01:07 PM-->
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What a beautiful girl!! My mom lost her 15 year old, red Dobie, Amber this past winter.

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Thank you Carrie, she was the most beautiful companion my children and I had while they were growing up. Sadly we lost her to something they call Wobbler Syndrome where the spine becomes deformed over the years and she had a fall in the back yard and one of her vertabre was pinching her spinal cord which rendered her paralized from the neck down. She was 10 years old a the time and it broke our hearts. My son carried her into the vet's on her last day with us and we had to put her to rest. This was in Australia and would you believe I have her ashes here with me in the US in her sealed urn to this day.
 

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i know how you feel when a dog tries attacking your dog. its happened to me MANY times. there are a couple of dogs that are always loose around my neighborhood (which i dont understand since we live near a major street) but these 2 dogs are SO sweet. and are actually scared of sprite and ellie, thank god. lol.

but dont get too worried, try going to a dog park, your dog should socialize with other dogs.
and all the dogs that go to the 'dog park' near my house---are super friendly.


and i think the whole thing about dogs being aggressive...depends on each individual.
 

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This is an excellent article about the problem with pit bulls in NYC, their appeal to "thugs and low lifes" as K&C's mom calls them, how pit's were bred for fighting and their unique genetic make up, plus the role irresponsible owners play in this growing inner city problem. It is very informative and presents both sides of the story, IMO.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html
 

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too bad we can't chain up the owners and beat them...
 

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In this case here in North Carolina, the owners of the dog were charged contributing to the deliquency of a minor for letting the child (their niece) get too close to the chained pit bull. As I said earlier, it's amazing how many of the pit bull attacks here in NC happen at the home of friends and relatives. And, as is the case here, most dogs are not up to date on their rabies shots.

These idiots probably own guns, too!

Aunt, Boyfriend Charged in Dog Attack
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April 25, 2005,ROANOKE RAPIDS, NORTH CAROLINA - The owners of a pit bull have been arrested in the near-fatal dog bite of a young girl. The couple - the victim's aunt and her boyfriend - are accused of lying to police when they claimed another animal had attacked the 2-1/2 -year-old child.

Skylar Finney remained in stable condition this morning at the University of North Carolina Medical Center, according to her grandmother, Cheryl Livesay.

Police Chief Greg Lawson said a break in the case came about 5 p.m.,Thursday when police learned the dog that bit Skylar was a male pit bull chained in the back yard of Daniel Lewter's house at 714 Miles Street and was not a stray.

Lewter, 19, and Christine Livesay, the 19-year-old aunt of the child, were both charged with one count each of child abuse, contributing to the delinquency of a minor child, delaying and obstructing law enforcement officers, filing a false police report and having a vicious animal.

Livesay was arrested at the Miles Street residence she and Lewter share around 7:43 p.m. Lewter turned himself in to police later that evening.

Lawson declined to elaborate on whether the break in the case came from admission by family members or through investigation. He did credit Detectives James Ayers and Roy Ball and Sgt. Ozzie Morgan for "doing an outstanding job" on the case.

This morning, the grandmother told the Daily Herald, "The family did not know they were lying. We were devastated. They (Lewter and Christine Livesay) came (to the hospital) and stood at the foot of her bed. They knew her condition. They knew she faced the rabies shots. They never said a word... I don't know how anybody can do that."

The discovery of the truth in the case ends nearly 100 hours of investigation and officers responding to calls of a stray brownish-tan dog resembling a lab roaming around the neighborhood near Miles Street and other areas of the city.

Lawson said police had suspicions soon after the girl was bitten Monday. "We had our suspicions confirmed and validated there was a pit bull in the yard." Cheryl Livesay said the family was also suspicious. "But all we had to go with was what they told us ... We had a gut instinct but we couldn't prove it."

The contributing to the delinquency of a minor charge was filed because the child was allowed to get too close to a dangerous animal, Lawson said this morning.

The dog was seized and quarantined at the Halifax County Animal Shelter and pending further investigation, police will seek a court order to have the dog killed.

Halifax County Chief Animal Control Officer Robert Richardson said an investigation was going to be done to determine whether the animal had rabies shots, but he said he didn't think it did have the shots.

Lawson could not say what prompted the attack. "Our opinion is the child was allowed to get too close to this animal. It was really disturbing to our officers."

Skylar was severely bitten on the head and face, according to police reports. The little girl is still undergoing rabies treatment at the hospital. She has also received numerous other medical procedures including reconstructive and oral surgery for damage to her head and face, according to police.

Cheryl Livesay said the doctors decided to leave the child's breathing tube in place for at least one more day due to fluid in her lungs. "The nurses and the doctors say she is a fighter ... she is a strong little girl," she added.

Lawson said while the police department was misdirected, "The outpouring from the community to help was important. It helped also with the case."

Lewter and Livesay were each released on $2,000 bond and are scheduled to appear in court May 20.

The family is accepting funds to help with the Skylar's medical care through a special trust fund established at Roanoke Valley Saving Bank. Cheryl Livesay stressed none of the money donated to Skylar would be used to benefit either Lewter or Christine Livesay.
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Aug 4 2005, 12:51 PM
This is an excellent article about the problem with pit bulls in NYC, their appeal to "thugs and low lifes" as K&C's mom calls them, how pit's were bred for fighting and their unique genetic make up, plus the role irresponsible owners play in this growing inner city problem. It is very informative and presents both sides of the story, IMO.

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With quotes like this "Different breeds have genetic predispositions to certain kinds of behavior, though that can be influenced by how they are raised. The pit bull is an innately aggressive breed, often owned by someone who wants an aggressive dog, so they're going to encourage it." I don't see how that is giving both sides of the story. That is an extremely biased article.

Please look at the sorryagain.com website, see if those dogs fit the stereo type this article and the 100's of others like it describe. And just a side note human aggression is not allowed even in fighting dogs. The old fighting breeders used to cull dogs for it. It has shown itself due to the same reason that is shows in so many other popular breeds, overbreeding by byb. And one other comment, I am so sick of articles like this last one shown stereo type people who own a certian type of dog. It is so discrimintory that I can't stand it.
 

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Well, you know, it actually crossed my mind to say snarling vicious wolf, but the fact is that we had just recently had an incident in our area involving two pitbulls getting out of their fenced in yard and killing a Maltese who was being walked on a leash on the sidewalk in front of their house by her 70 year old owner. The woman was devastated that her baby was killed in front of her - mauled by the pit bulls. So anyway, pit bulls were on my mind yet I still meant it as a figure of speech.

As far as claiming that any breed's personality is always one thing or another is, of course, unfair and untrue. I'm fully aware of that. It is true, however, that there are some breeds that have bad reputations. I once owned a doberman who was the sweetest dog there ever lived and a German Shepherd who have killed to protect my baby while my baby was pulling its ears. Yet even with all this I have to say that I was shocked that the dog that reacted so viciously was a Golden Retriever.

I'll take this one step further and state that I can't guaranteee to anyone that my Maltese won't bite. When asked, I say that he never has bitten - I never say that he won't. I would be shocked if he did, but a dog is a dog and we never know what will set a dog off. My sole purpose was to pass along the experience I had just as an FYI. It was terrifying and I didn't want anyone else to ever have to go through something like that - and with possibly much worse results.

I learn so much from these boards. I will stay and read and learn, but it's not often that I feel the need to post. I see my questions answered in so many other peoples' postings. I'm more of a "lurker" than a poster and I will certainly stay and "lurk" and learn. But it was nice to "meet" some of you and I wanted to post to thank you for being kind and understanding that I never meant to start a ruckus. Anyway, thank you for your support. I admit that I was starting to feel just a wee bit like my poor little dog must have felt.
 

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Kay, I had a Doberman also many years ago and he was a big baby... just soooo sweet. I wish I had a scanner so I could post the pic of him in his birthday hat with an entire whole hamburger and bun in his mouth... I'll try to find someone to scan it for me.

Anyway, I am leary about walking K & C due to the possibility of a stray dog attack. In fact, does anyone know of a repellent that is good to use while walking if a vicious dog should try to attack... such as some sort of spray ?
 

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Originally posted by Scoobydoo+Aug 4 2005, 01:23 PM-->
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What a beautiful girl!! My mom lost her 15 year old, red Dobie, Amber this past winter.

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Thank you Carrie, she was the most beautiful companion my children and I had while they were growing up. Sadly we lost her to something they call Wobbler Syndrome where the spine becomes deformed over the years and she had a fall in the back yard and one of her vertabre was pinching her spinal cord which rendered her paralized from the neck down. She was 10 years old a the time and it broke our hearts. My son carried her into the vet's on her last day with us and we had to put her to rest. This was in Australia and would you believe I have her ashes here with me in the US in her sealed urn to this day.
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She was very beautiful. I like how her ears were kept natural. I'm sorry to hear that happened to her. That is very sad. It's wonderful you have her ashes with you.
 

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I got some in the gun shop here that is like mace, but especially for dogs. It was about $10, I think.

I had a cat killed by a dog years ago and my poor Petie was attacked several times by male dogs who would congregate outside when my neighbor's Boxer was in heat. My daughter ended up underneath 3 of them, still hanging into the leash trying to protect Petie. I had to beat off a German Shorthair who decided that he might like to eat me instead.

I would absolutely not hesitate to use it should any loose dog approach me and Lady. Fortunately, I live in the city limits with a strict leash law, plus a planned community that respects the rules. Except for the occasional newbie who tries to take their dog out for a quick pee off leash (and we report them and they get a warning), we don't usually have a problem with loose dogs here.

Still, I always keep my mace with me.
 

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Originally posted by LadysMom@Aug 4 2005, 03:41 PM
I got some in the gun shop here that is like mace, but especially for dogs. It was about $10, I think.

I had a cat killed by a dog years ago and my poor Petie was attacked several times by male dogs who would congregate outside when my neighbor's Boxer was in heat. My daughter ended up underneath 3 of them, still hanging into the leash trying to protect Petie. I had to beat off a German Shorthair who decided that he might like to eat me instead.

I would absolutely not hesitate to use it should any loose dog approach me and Lady. Fortunately, I live in the city limits with a strict leash law, plus a planned community that respects the rules. Except for the occasional newbie who tries to take their dog out for a quick pee off leash (and we report them and they get a warning), we don't usually have a problem with loose dogs here.

Still, I always keep my mace with me.
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Thanks, for the info. We have strict leash laws also but occasionally a "scary-looking" stray will prowl the neighborhood........
 

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Don't worry about it Kay
~ I've mentioned on here several times that my little Abbey acts like a rottie at times!!
I only use it as a fiqure of speech also - although I was attacked and bit by a rott when I was 12 years old. A friend and I were just taking a walk on the opposite side of the street. Th owner saw the dog come after me and yelled "Don't worry he won't hurt you - he's just a big baby!" Well, he did hurt me and all he could say was "He's never done anything like that before!!" Hello!! Leash your dog!! I know your fear ~ There's a big dog about a 1/4 mile up the road from us that gets into a barking match with Abbey everytime we take a walk and I wouldn't know what to do if Abbey ever got out of the house and went after that dog! Plus we live on a big farm and you wouldn't believe the strays that come on our property. A dog (half sharpei, half boxer) fell into our pool last summer. He was stuck under the pool cover and I had to help him get out. The animal control guy told me I shouldn't have went near the dog but I couldn't let him just drown. He seemed like a quiet dog but the animal control officer told me that the quietest ones are the ones to worry about. Later he caught him and he was right- that dog put up a huge fight, to the point that his mouth was bleeding!!


I just wish people would be responsible of their pets. I know Abbey probably wouldn't hurt anyone but I still make sure she is leashed or in her carrier.
 

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Originally posted by Msloke@Aug 4 2005, 06:13 PM
Kay, I'm sorry the topic you started, with very good intentions, got hijacked and turned into something it was not intended to be.  It's not just you, it seems to happen a lot.  I've felt the same way you are feeling at times, becoming a lurker rather than posing a question or comment.  Please don't stop posting, I'd rather read your posts than some of the rants on here lately (which once I see where they're going, I don't bother to read).

I would like to propose a suggestion to everyone for the future, rather than attack the poster, who's comments can be taken several ways, why not start your own topic on that which you feel so passionate about?  That way, the original poster does not feel like they're being called down on a comment they made and you can put across your point in a non-inflammatory way on you own topic.  And, more importantly, the topic stay on target to it's original intent.
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Bravo! Excellent idea!
 
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