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Hello, I am new to the board and am on the search for a healthy, happy maltese puppy. I am located in Southern California and have been researching breeders. I called a few. So far I like Marlene Maltese & Yorkies (Martha Thomas), Glionna's Maltese (Frances Glionna), and Wee-R-Yorkies (Sandy Grizzell) based on my phone interview with them. My next step is to go and visit them in person. Has anyone got a maltese from any of them before? I would really love to know your experience.
 

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Do you know if they have web sites? If so, can you provide the URLs.... that'll help those of us not familiar with these breeders... sometimes a "red flag" can be noticed on the web site!

By the way, congrats on choosing a Malt... what a wonderful breed.... now, the most important thing is finding a responsible breeder! Oh, and...

Welcome to SM!!
 

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Originally posted by sunnydays@Apr 23 2005, 10:49 PM
Thanks for responding  :D

Wee-R-Yorkies is the only one I know of that has a website:
http://wee-r-yorkies.com

I will definitely check that resource out. Thanks!
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Hi, I took a look at her site. I wouldn't buy from her... but that's just me..

Here is one reason. She says: "I breed the standard, and others to achieve the “tiny baby doll” look that is not found in standard representations of these breeds. Most of my Yorkies and Maltese will stay in the 2-5 pound range, rather than the 7+ lb. commonly found available. Parents are normally on the premises and most come from champion lines."

The Maltese standard is 4-7 pounds..... Why in the world is she breeding a dog that will only be 2 pounds except because people may be willing to buy them.
 

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Originally posted by Kallie/Catcher's Mom+Apr 23 2005, 08:43 PM-->
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@Apr 23 2005, 10:49 PM
Thanks for responding  :D

Wee-R-Yorkies is the only one I know of that has a website:
http://wee-r-yorkies.com

I will definitely check that resource out. Thanks!
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Hi, I took a look at her site. I wouldn't buy from her... but that's just me..

Here is one reason. She says: "I breed the standard, and others to achieve the “tiny baby doll” look that is not found in standard representations of these breeds. Most of my Yorkies and Maltese will stay in the 2-5 pound range, rather than the 7+ lb. commonly found available. Parents are normally on the premises and most come from champion lines."

The Maltese standard is 4-7 pounds..... Why in the world is she breeding a dog that will only be 2 pounds except because people may be willing to buy them.
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Also, some of the dogs she lists under "a stud" are 2 lbs. That seems kind of wrong to me.
 

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Chanel is from Martha Thomas and I love Chanel. I went through this whole thing about wanting her and taking her back and Martha was really nice to me. She loves her dogs and I love the way Chanel looks. I was looking for a particular look and I found it. She lives 2 hours away from me but I took my bf and we were fine. She slept all of he way home. I would recommend Martha.

Also, I called Sandy Grizell and I didn't get a good feeling from her. And she is too pricey.

Hope this helps.

~Elegant
 

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I am very close to Acampo. So I have talked to two ladies in Acampo, one was Pauline. She is either the one who doesn't breed accept to get another show prospect so hardly ever has litters or she is the one that really rubbed me the WRONG way. I can't remember which of the ones she was


Have you seen
? I have talked to her on the phone a few times a long time ago and had a wonderful impression of her. I did not buy one of her dogs because she is on the high end of price range, but I think they would be well worth it. They look perect to me. When I ever save enough money for my next one, I will want one from her. She is close to Sacramento though.
 

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Originally posted by chloeandj@Apr 24 2005, 10:05 PM
I am very close to Acampo. So I have talked to two ladies in Acampo, one was Pauline. She is either the one who doesn't breed accept to get another show prospect so hardly ever has litters or she is the one that really rubbed me the WRONG way. I can't remember which of the ones she was


Have you seen diamondjs.net? I have talked to her on the phone a few times a long time ago and had a wonderful impression of her. I did not buy one of her dogs because she is on the high end of price range, but I think they would be well worth it. They look perect to me. When I ever save enough money for my next one, I will want one from her. She is close to Sacramento though.
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There are a number of red flags on this website

1. Charges more for smaller dogs.

2. Sell's "tinies"

3. No pictures of the parents.

4. No mentions of titling the parents in conformation.

5. Charges more to buy dogs with full instead of limited registration. Only show quality dogs should be sold on full registration and those are definately NOT the going prices for pet and show quality Maltese.
 

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I have posted this before, but it's a must-read for anyone thinking of purchasing a "teacup" or "tiny" Maltese:

Those extra small dogs not only come with a huge price tag, they also run up huge vet bills.

* They break bones easily, especially legs, by jumping on and off furniture. There have been cases of bones shattering on impact from normal playing or being held too firmly.

* Their mouths are usually not big enough to accomodate all their adult teeth and they have problems with overcrowding, decay, etc.

* Internal organs may not be fully or adequately developed.

* They have trouble regulating their own body heat. They can literally starve to death because they have to expend so much energy trying to maintain a normal body temperature.

* They have trouble regulating their own blood sugar.

* They are more prone to diarrhea and vomiting. Since they can dehydrate so quickly, even a simple case of diarrhea can become life threatening and require a trip to the vet, possibly hospitalization.

* Extra and expensive tests are needed prior to routine teeth cleanings and surgeries.

* Even with the best of care, it's not unusual for so-called "teacups" to die at very young age, sometimes living only 2 or 3 years even with the best of care.

The author of one of the articles I read suggested that if a 5 pound dog is too heavy for you, get a stuffed animal!

Good advice!
 

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I checked the diamondjs.net site out as well. I have to agree w/ JMM. Also the Brussels puppies appear to be pretty low quality at a high price. I looked into the brussel griffon before setting my mind to a maltese. And their "tiny" puppy is within breed standard so I don't understand why it has an almost $3000 dollar price tag.
 

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I agree don't buy from diamondjs.net or wee-r-yorkies.com. They both seem to be back yard breeders. diamondjs.net even has a part of her website that says...

About The Maltese Breed
The Maltese is a member of the oldest dog know to man. They have beautiful mantel of long, silky, white hair, this is their crowning glory. They are gentle-mannered and affectionate, yet playful and full of animation. Despite their size, they posse the vigor needed for a excellent companion. The Maltese is intelligent and easy to train, they have no fear and usually know no strangers, but have 6th sense for some one who could do you harm, and will let you know, if you are paying attention. Maltese must be groomed regularly wash ever other week and brushed through once a week. They are beautiful in their long flowing white coat but live happiest in a two inch puppy cut. Even thought Maltese do not have any fear, they are the most gentle of the toy breeds...

Because of its wonderful temperament the Maltese is a wonderful dog with children. I have found that Maltese truly enjoy them. And children just love Maltese! A Maltese's out going nature and playfulness is just irresistible!

Maltese are also wonderful because they don't shed or have a dander. They are also Hyper-Allergenic and they have no doggie oder.So If having allergies this maybe one you can love. Ask your doctor?[/B]
WHAT!!! She's crazy and knows nothing about the Maltese breed!

She also talks about her dogs being therapy dogs and has a picture of an elderly man holding a pup that couldn't be more than a day old. Why on earth is she letting him hold that pup so young?! Does she want these pups to die? She also has pictures of children holding pups that don't look more than a few weeks or so old. This woman really doesn't know much about any kind of puppies let alone Malts.
I had to stop looking at her page after seeing that 7lb Brussel nursing at least 7 pups! That's alot of pups for a 7lb dog to give birth to.

Everyone else said everything I was going to say about the wee-r-yorkies.com so I don't have to comment on them.
 

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Originally posted by JMM+Apr 25 2005, 08:44 AM-->
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@Apr 24 2005, 10:05 PM
I am very close to Acampo. So I have talked to two ladies in Acampo, one was Pauline. She is either the one who doesn't breed accept to get another show prospect so hardly ever has litters or she is the one that really rubbed me the WRONG way. I can't remember which of the ones she was


Have you seen diamondjs.net? I have talked to her on the phone a few times a long time ago and had a wonderful impression of her. I did not buy one of her dogs because she is on the high end of price range, but I think they would be well worth it. They look perect to me. When I ever save enough money for my next one, I will want one from her. She is close to Sacramento though.
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There are a number of red flags on this website

1. Charges more for smaller dogs.

2. Sell's "tinies"

3. No pictures of the parents.

4. No mentions of titling the parents in conformation.

5. Charges more to buy dogs with full instead of limited registration. Only show quality dogs should be sold on full registration and those are definately NOT the going prices for pet and show quality Maltese.
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Actually she has lots of pictures of parents if you continue to look. She also has lots of pictures of growing puppies and videos. She is one that doesn't believe in titaling her dogs. Nothing wrong there to ME. I know it is a hot debate that you need to show your dogs to be a good breeder. I am not someone who belongs to that way of thinking. I'm not saying a breeder shouldn't show. You may have noticed she will not sell to a show home. I lean more towards that way of thinking.I think her dogs are beautiful and they are well cared for. How does one describe a dog that will be 7 lbs and one that will be 4 lbs. A 4 lb dog in tiny compared to 7 lbs. She does not say t cup. And EVERYBODY charges more for breeding rights. I don't think any puppymiller will be seeking out a $3000 dog to breed either. AND most of all EVERYBODY charges more for smaller dogs. You just can't sell an 8 lb potential male for the same price you can sell a 4 lb female. Her males are 3.5-4 lbs. You don't get below standard with that size unless it is the runt and that is basically where her "tinies" come from. She does not breed for small. I've read her entire site and talked to her on the phone. She is very knowledgable about genetics and such.
 

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Originally posted by FannyMay@Apr 25 2005, 10:11 AM
I agree don't buy from diamondjs.net or wee-r-yorkies.com.  They both seem to be back yard breeders.  diamondjs.net even has a part of her website that says...

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About The Maltese Breed
The Maltese is a member of the oldest dog know to man. They have beautiful mantel of long, silky, white hair, this is their crowning glory. They are gentle-mannered and affectionate, yet playful and full of animation. Despite their size, they posse the vigor needed for a excellent companion. The Maltese is intelligent and easy to train, they have no fear and usually know no strangers, but have 6th sense for some one who could do you harm, and will let you know, if you are paying attention. Maltese must be groomed regularly wash ever other week and brushed through once a week. They are beautiful in their long flowing white coat but live happiest in a two inch puppy cut. Even thought Maltese do not have any fear, they are the most gentle of the toy breeds...

Because of its wonderful temperament the Maltese is a wonderful dog with children. I have found that Maltese truly enjoy them. And children just love Maltese! A Maltese's out going nature and playfulness is just irresistible!

Maltese are also wonderful because they don't shed or have a dander. They are also Hyper-Allergenic and they have no doggie oder.So If having allergies this maybe one you can love. Ask your doctor?
WHAT!!! She's crazy and knows nothing about the Maltese breed!

She also talks about her dogs being therapy dogs and has a picture of an elderly man holding a pup that couldn't be more than a day old. Why on earth is she letting him hold that pup so young?! Does she want these pups to die? She also has pictures of children holding pups that don't look more than a few weeks or so old. This woman really doesn't know much about any kind of puppies let alone Malts.
I had to stop looking at her page after seeing that 7lb Brussel nursing at least 7 pups! That's alot of pups for a 7lb dog to give birth to.

Everyone else said everything I was going to say about the wee-r-yorkies.com so I don't have to comment on them.
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I wish I knew what offended you here?? The brushing? Her maltese have very silky hair. The kids? I have kids and yes they are WONDERFUL with eachother. Why would a puppy die if you hold it too young? How can she help how many puppies her Brussels will have? These comments are a bit extreme.
 

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And actually here in california that is the going rate for a beautiful maltese. And a show breeder charges even a little more than that.
 

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She was wrong about just about everything! Malts aren't hypo allergenic and they do sorta shed. I find Fantasia hair all over and I am allergic to her. Also she says just to brush through once a week, that's wrong. You have to brush through once a DAY. And saying they are good dogs for children is also wrong. A rescue wouldn't give a small dog to a family with small children because the children could hurt the dog. Children like to "hug" tiny pups and could hurt or kill it if not careful. Small children and small dogs just don't mix well. I agree that is has been done and can be done but a breeder shouldn't say that these pups are good for small children, it's just not true. Too much handling of a day old pup isn't good either. These pups have low immune systems and having an elderly person hold it isn't safe at all.
And the standard is 4-7lbs so why would you think 3.5 is within standard?
 

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Originally posted by FannyMay@Apr 25 2005, 11:00 AM
She was wrong about just about everything!  Malts aren't hypo allergenic and they do sorta shed.  I find Fantasia hair all over and I am allergic to her.  Also she says just to brush through once a week, that's wrong.  You have to brush through once a DAY.  And saying they are good dogs for children is also wrong.  A rescue wouldn't give a small dog to a family with small children because the children could hurt the dog.  Children like to "hug" tiny pups and could hurt or kill it if not careful.  Small children and small dogs just don't mix well.  I agree that is has been done and can be done but a breeder shouldn't say that these pups are good for small children, it's just not true.  Too much handling of a day old pup isn't good either.  These pups have low immune systems and having an elderly person hold it isn't safe at all.
And the standard is 4-7lbs so why would you think 3.5 is within standard?
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Well you are on the brink of really offending me and I'm afraid I will really offend you if I respond about the children issue so I won't continue with that. One of her males is 1/2 pound shy of standard. Why do you need to be so technical? AND maltese are known for their hypoallergenic qualities. She does state to talk to your doctor about it. I didn't want to debate about this because I know we have different points of view and we should remember that that is ok and what a forum is for.

Actually I do want to ask if you have children??

Oh I forgot to add if you have a maltese with beautiful silky hair, you can get away with only once a week brushings. My mom's maltese is a perfect example of this. She is in her full coat and gets brushed once a week with her bath with not one mat. She gets brushed at other times too but it isn't necessary.
 

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There is no such thing as a hypo allergenic dog and if she was a good breeder she would know that. And I do not have children. I also could say some things that could really offend you too but I won't.
 

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I'd suggest going to our "Breeders" section and reading, reading, reading. There are many posts there about how to find a good breeder, questions to ask, red flags to watch out for, etc.

I think what Jodi is trying to point out is that a reputable breeder would never advertise a Maltese as hypoallergenic. Too many dogs and cats end up in rescue or shelters due to allergies. Although some people with allergies are not bothered by a Maltese, others, like Jodi, are.

Most reputable breeders also will not permit vistors around puppies when they are very young. Diseases, like Parvo, can be carried in on shoes and can kill an entire litter.

The small children and Maltese is a heated debate on many forums. As a rule, most reputable breeders will not sell a Maltese puppy to a home with small children nor will a rescue to adopt to one.

If you ask for advice on breeders, you may hear things you don't want to hear. It is not aimed to offend you, but rather warn you. Both Jodi and I have Maltese with health issues because they were not bred by reputable breeders. I think I can safely speak for both of us when I say our main goal is to save anyone considering a Maltese puppy from making a mistake that can cost them a fortune in vet bills and break their heart.
 

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I totally understand what you are saying. I also know where you are coming from, Chloe is not my first maltese. But I hate to see someone labeled as a bad breeder just because they do not show. I have talked to many show breeders that gave me an impression of a high class puppy mill. I think you need to talk to someone and visit their home and then make your impression. And this breeder actually will not let you come to her home until you are a potential buyer and the puppies are a certain age. No lookiloos. Personally, I think it's wonderful that she let's her live in elderly gentleman share in the experience. I'm sure no parvo will be spread by an elderly man in a wheel chair.
 
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