Are any of you familiar with this breeder? www.cherubmaltese.com Jane and Dale Martenson are the breeders and I've seen posts online of them showing at Westminster, but they are not on the AKC Breeders by State list. I would appreciate any info or experiences had by members of the forum.

Make that AMA Breeders by State list. Sorry, rookie mistake!

Miki

 

please only reply if you have first hand experience with the breeder, do not make speculative posts or post anything based on "what you have heard"

heartmadeforyou - I would encorage you to research any breeder by doing searches here, on google, consider what is on or not on the AMA list, AKC list and any violations on each and every breeder you consider

thanks

 

I know Dale very, very well. He's been a friend for more than 25 years. He is actually the #1 Japanese Chin breeder in the US ad Chins are his passiion. His mother started the Cherub Maltese line but passed away about 2-3 years ago and Dale has tried to continue her breeding program. I would guess, but this is only a guess, that his mother was a member of the American Maltese Association, but since Dale is so very actively involved in the Chins (as well as handling), I would guess that he and his wife have never joined AMA.

Dale is a top show breeder and handler and has great ethics and integrity. Although I am not familiar with the Cherub Maltese line, per se, I can give nothing but praise for Dale. He is all about improving the breed, both in temperment and health, and he would stand behind any of his dogs. As a show breeder, I know that his dogs would be very well socialized prior to going to their new home.

I would not hesitate in getting a puppy from him.

 

I believe it was his wife's mother's maltese they inherited. I did look at some of his puppies one time (in person) but opted not to buy.

There are some great breeders on the AMA list from Texas. Why not try them?

Edited by Admin/Mod team to comply with "rules" at top of this thread.


Sorry. I'll correct myself. Jane told me it was her mother, twice over time. Just relaying my first hand info.
I'm also adding the memoriam link to Connie Heman so you can see Jane is her daughter. http://cherubmaltese.com/memory.htm

 

They are mentioned on Gumwood Kennel (Vicky Welch's) website as finishing one of her pups -

From the Gumwood website:

Champion Gumwood's Hamlet<span style="color:#8b0000">Thank you to Dale and Jane Martenson for the outstanding job of finishing Hamlet's Championship from the puppy class! Hamlet was always first place in his class. A real "blue ribbon" dog! He has big expressive eyes, a great baby doll face, and what a personality----he really seems to sparkle. The judges complemented Hamlet on his great movement and soundness. Hamlet weighs 5 lbs.

</span>Beautiful pups!

 

Sorry. I corrected my post above. I didn't mean to make it sound like it wasn't first hand information.

 

Sorry, you're right -- it was Dale's mother-in-law (Jane's mother) that started Cherub.

In any event, they aren't BYB or a puppymill, imo.

 

QUOTE (Lacie's Mom @ May 19 2009, 10:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778596

Sorry, you're right -- it was Dale's mother-in-law (Jane's mother) that started Cherub.

In any event, they aren't BYB or a puppymill, imo.[/B]

So, to get this in my head correctly, you only really know them as a Chin breeder, not as a Maltese breeder. You are really only offering your opinion on that part, correct? Someone who has actually seen their Malts might be a better person to answer this situation???

Just a matter of discussion here...That's allowed correct? I'm not offering any advice, just asking questions. If not, I feel sure I'll be censored. Don't most show breeders only breed and show one breed of dogs? Is he showing Maltese? If not, then how can he be considered a reputable show breeder of Maltese just because he is breeding dogs his MIL used to breed? I have no inside information about this person, be it Japanese Chin or Maltese, but I don't see how being a reputable Chin breeder makes a reputable Maltese breeder. And, that, my friends, is just my humble opinon. :huh:

 

QUOTE (Coco @ May 19 2009, 10:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778602

QUOTE (Lacie's Mom @ May 19 2009, 10:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778596

Sorry, you're right -- it was Dale's mother-in-law (Jane's mother) that started Cherub.

In any event, they aren't BYB or a puppymill, imo.[/B]

So, to get this in my head correctly, you only really know them as a Chin breeder, not as a Maltese breeder. You are really only offering your opinion on that part, correct? Someone who has actually seen their Malts might be a better person to answer this situation???

Just a matter of discussion here...That's allowed correct? I'm not offering any advice, just asking questions. If not, I feel sure I'll be censored. Don't most show breeders only breed and show one breed of dogs? Is he showing Maltese? If not, then how can he be considered a reputable show breeder of Maltese just because he is breeding dogs his MIL used to breed? I have no inside information about this person, be it Japanese Chin or Maltese, but I don't see how being a reputable Chin breeder makes a reputable Maltese breeder. And, that, my friends, is just my humble opinon. :huh:
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I actually met Dale at the Centex Kennel Club Dog show in Belton Tx, Nov 2008. I was introduced to him by Tonia. He was visiting with both my breeders. I saw him showing his maltese at the show although Tonia's Smarty won BOB.

 

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QUOTE (Coco @ May 19 2009, 10:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778602

QUOTE (Lacie's Mom @ May 19 2009, 10:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778596

Sorry, you're right -- it was Dale's mother-in-law (Jane's mother) that started Cherub.

In any event, they aren't BYB or a puppymill, imo.[/B]

So, to get this in my head correctly, you only really know them as a Chin breeder, not as a Maltese breeder. You are really only offering your opinion on that part, correct? Someone who has actually seen their Malts might be a better person to answer this situation???

Just a matter of discussion here...That's allowed correct? I'm not offering any advice, just asking questions. If not, I feel sure I'll be censored. Don't most show breeders only breed and show one breed of dogs? Is he showing Maltese? If not, then how can he be considered a reputable show breeder of Maltese just because he is breeding dogs his MIL used to breed? I have no inside information about this person, be it Japanese Chin or Maltese, but I don't see how being a reputable Chin breeder makes a reputable Maltese breeder. And, that, my friends, is just my humble opinon. :huh:
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I actually met Dale at the Centex Kennel Club Dog show in Belton Tx, Nov 2008. I was introduced to him by Tonia. He was visiting with both my breeders. I saw him showing his maltese at the show although Tonia's Smarty won BOB.
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Just curious. Did his win anything? Good to know he's also showing Maltese. Where is Belton, TX? I live in Texas, and I'm not familiar with it. Thanks!

 

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QUOTE (aggiemom99 @ May 19 2009, 10:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778608

QUOTE (Coco @ May 19 2009, 10:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778602

QUOTE (Lacie's Mom @ May 19 2009, 10:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778596

Sorry, you're right -- it was Dale's mother-in-law (Jane's mother) that started Cherub.

In any event, they aren't BYB or a puppymill, imo.[/B]

So, to get this in my head correctly, you only really know them as a Chin breeder, not as a Maltese breeder. You are really only offering your opinion on that part, correct? Someone who has actually seen their Malts might be a better person to answer this situation???

Just a matter of discussion here...That's allowed correct? I'm not offering any advice, just asking questions. If not, I feel sure I'll be censored. Don't most show breeders only breed and show one breed of dogs? Is he showing Maltese? If not, then how can he be considered a reputable show breeder of Maltese just because he is breeding dogs his MIL used to breed? I have no inside information about this person, be it Japanese Chin or Maltese, but I don't see how being a reputable Chin breeder makes a reputable Maltese breeder. And, that, my friends, is just my humble opinon. :huh:
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I actually met Dale at the Centex Kennel Club Dog show in Belton Tx, Nov 2008. I was introduced to him by Tonia. He was visiting with both my breeders. I saw him showing his maltese at the show although Tonia's Smarty won BOB.
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Just curious. Did his win anything? Good to know he's also showing Maltese. Where is Belton, TX? I live in Texas, and I'm not familiar with it. Thanks!
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Mary Ann. I will answer you in pm so I do not mess up this thread.

 

Belton is SW of Temple - about 12-15 miles on I35

 

It is not that unusual for a breeder to have 2 breeds. Maltese and Yorkies are commonly seen in the same kennel. I have a friend who breeds labs and beagles...and is very reputable. Showing and breeding 2 breeds does not indicate the breeder is not responsible. You have to go further and do more homework.

 

Dale is a good breeder. He shows his MIL's Maltese (deceased). I've shown against him. He would be okay to buy a puppy from. His Maltese are nice looking dogs. I think it is a nice tribute that her daughter Jane and Dale are doing for her.

Tina

 

QUOTE (JMM @ May 19 2009, 11:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778626

It is not that unusual for a breeder to have 2 breeds. Maltese and Yorkies are commonly seen in the same kennel. I have a friend who breeds labs and beagles...and is very reputable. Showing and breeding 2 breeds does not indicate the breeder is not responsible. You have to go further and do more homework.[/B]

I just know my breeder is so involved in breeding and showing her Maltese, as well as being involved in rescues in her area, that she has no time to show or breed other breeds. I'm not interested in more homework, but thanks for the advice. I'll just take your word for it. Seems to me that most of the really great Maltese breeders are only interested in one breed. If that's not so of some, so be it.

 

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QUOTE (JMM @ May 19 2009, 11:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778626

It is not that unusual for a breeder to have 2 breeds. Maltese and Yorkies are commonly seen in the same kennel. I have a friend who breeds labs and beagles...and is very reputable. Showing and breeding 2 breeds does not indicate the breeder is not responsible. You have to go further and do more homework.[/B]

I just know my breeder is so involved in breeding and showing her Maltese, as well as being involved in rescues in her area, that she has no time to show or breed other breeds. I'm not interested in more homework, but thanks for the advice. I'll just take your word for it. Seems to me that most of the really great Maltese breeders are only interested in one breed. If that's not so of some, so be it.
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I've also seen many show breeders who are reputable who are involved in more than one breed. As long as they are contributing in a positive way to whatever breed they happen to have, then hey, more power to them. Personally, i have my hands full with maltese!

 

QUOTE (Tina @ May 19 2009, 11:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778630

Dale is a good breeder. He shows his MIL's Maltese (deceased). I've shown against him. He would be okay to buy a puppy from. His Maltese are nice looking dogs. I think it is a nice tribute that her daughter Jane and Dale are doing for her.

Tina[/B]

I thought Connie Hemen didn't show much at all.

 

QUOTE (BellarataMaltese @ May 19 2009, 11:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778640

QUOTE (Coco @ May 19 2009, 09:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778634

QUOTE (JMM @ May 19 2009, 11:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778626

It is not that unusual for a breeder to have 2 breeds. Maltese and Yorkies are commonly seen in the same kennel. I have a friend who breeds labs and beagles...and is very reputable. Showing and breeding 2 breeds does not indicate the breeder is not responsible. You have to go further and do more homework.[/B]

I just know my breeder is so involved in breeding and showing her Maltese, as well as being involved in rescues in her area, that she has no time to show or breed other breeds. I'm not interested in more homework, but thanks for the advice. I'll just take your word for it. Seems to me that most of the really great Maltese breeders are only interested in one breed. If that's not so of some, so be it.
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I've also seen many show breeders who are reputable who are involved in more than one breed. As long as they are contributing in a positive way to whatever breed they happen to have, then hey, more power to them. Personally, i have my hands full with maltese!
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Who, Stacey? I'm curious.

 

QUOTE (Coco @ May 19 2009, 09:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778642

QUOTE (BellarataMaltese @ May 19 2009, 11:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778640

QUOTE (Coco @ May 19 2009, 09:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778634

QUOTE (JMM @ May 19 2009, 11:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778626

It is not that unusual for a breeder to have 2 breeds. Maltese and Yorkies are commonly seen in the same kennel. I have a friend who breeds labs and beagles...and is very reputable. Showing and breeding 2 breeds does not indicate the breeder is not responsible. You have to go further and do more homework.[/B]

I just know my breeder is so involved in breeding and showing her Maltese, as well as being involved in rescues in her area, that she has no time to show or breed other breeds. I'm not interested in more homework, but thanks for the advice. I'll just take your word for it. Seems to me that most of the really great Maltese breeders are only interested in one breed. If that's not so of some, so be it.
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I've also seen many show breeders who are reputable who are involved in more than one breed. As long as they are contributing in a positive way to whatever breed they happen to have, then hey, more power to them. Personally, i have my hands full with maltese!
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Who, Stacey? I'm curious.
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There are multiple breeders that I show with in california who are actively involved in more than one breed. As I think Tina said, having yorkies and maltese are common.

 

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QUOTE (Tina @ May 19 2009, 11:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778630

Dale is a good breeder. He shows his MIL's Maltese (deceased). I've shown against him. He would be okay to buy a puppy from. His Maltese are nice looking dogs. I think it is a nice tribute that her daughter Jane and Dale are doing for her.

Tina[/B]

I thought Connie Hemen didn't show much at all.

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When I first started in Maltese, (2000) Connie Hemen had dogs in the ring. Her SIL, Dale, was showing for her. I showed against him while she was living at least 3 times. Once in Shawnee, OK. (He barely beat me). He showed in Kansas City, MO. and he showed again in Topeka, KS.
There are Cherub Maltese in the ring this past weekend. He isn't showing them all, but other's have purchased from him and are winning in the ring. He has helped newbies get started with good Maltese. I did not have the priviledge to meet Connie Hemen. http://www.onofrio.com/execpgm/WBSRSELECT?SHOW=COTD161114 click on Maltese

There are lots and I mean lots of breeders' who have more than one breed. I don't. I can barely keep my Maltese going let alone another breed ($). As someone mentioned it is mostly people with Maltese and Yorkies. They show both breeds. Dale has Japanese Chin and they (he and Jane) have Maltese. Not unheard of. It's not a bad thing. They have a few of each breed. Mostly they have girls and breed to other people's males.


Tina

 

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QUOTE (Cosy @ May 19 2009, 11:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778641

QUOTE (Tina @ May 19 2009, 11:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778630

Dale is a good breeder. He shows his MIL's Maltese (deceased). I've shown against him. He would be okay to buy a puppy from. His Maltese are nice looking dogs. I think it is a nice tribute that her daughter Jane and Dale are doing for her.

Tina[/B]

I thought Connie Hemen didn't show much at all.

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When I first started in Maltese, (2000) Connie Hemen had dogs in the ring. Her SIL, Dale, was showing for her. I showed against him while she was living at least 3 times. Once in Shawnee, OK. (He barely beat me). He showed in Kansas City, MO. and he showed again in Topeka, KS.
There are Cherub Maltese in the ring this past weekend. He isn't showing them all, but other's have purchased from him and are winning in the ring. He has helped newbies get started with good Maltese. I did not have the priviledge to meet Connie Hemen. http://www.onofrio.com/execpgm/WBSRSELECT?SHOW=COTD161114 click on Maltese

There are lots and I mean lots of breeders' who have more than one breed. I don't. I can barely keep my Maltese going let alone another breed ($). As someone mentioned it is mostly people with Maltese and Yorkies. They show both breeds. Dale has Japanese Chin and they (he and Jane) have Maltese. Not unheard of. It's not a bad thing. They have a few of each breed. Mostly they have girls and breed to other people's males.


Tina
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I agree, it's not a bad thing. I also can only keep up with maltese (and live in a residential neighborhood so the last thing I could do is get involved in another breed) but it sure doesn't mean red flags are being thrown up because people are involved in multiple breeds. The same rules apply - Are they breeding to better the breed or just to have puppies?

 

Again, if you read my post, I stated that I was not familiar with Cherub Maltese, per se, but that I have known Dale personally for many, many years and, imo, he is an ethical breeder and a person of integrity who believes in bettering the breed (whatever breed it may be).

The person that is asking, is looking for a well socialized pet puppy and not a show furbutt. I know Dale and I know that he stands behind his dogs.

As far as having more than 1 breed, I know several breeders that have more than 1 breed. When I was breeding and showing Lhasas, I also bred and showed some Shih Tzus. Just an example.

 

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QUOTE (JMM @ May 19 2009, 11:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=778626

It is not that unusual for a breeder to have 2 breeds. Maltese and Yorkies are commonly seen in the same kennel. I have a friend who breeds labs and beagles...and is very reputable. Showing and breeding 2 breeds does not indicate the breeder is not responsible. You have to go further and do more homework.[/B]

I just know my breeder is so involved in breeding and showing her Maltese, as well as being involved in rescues in her area, that she has no time to show or breed other breeds. I'm not interested in more homework, but thanks for the advice. I'll just take your word for it. Seems to me that most of the really great Maltese breeders are only interested in one breed. If that's not so of some, so be it.
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I've also seen many show breeders who are reputable who are involved in more than one breed. As long as they are contributing in a positive way to whatever breed they happen to have, then hey, more power to them. Personally, i have my hands full with maltese!
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Who, Stacey? I'm curious.
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There are multiple breeders that I show with in california who are actively involved in more than one breed. As I think Tina said, having yorkies and maltese are common.
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But whom? Stacey, I could have shown Coco, but more likely than not, I would not have won. I'm not into that at this point. She's spayed anyway, so it is really a moot issue. I'm just curious which of the good, reputable Maltese show breeders show more than one breed? Do they win? Anyone can show a dog, doesn't mean they'll be successful with it. Do they have multiple dogs of the same breed at one show so so their points are against their own dogs? I'm really curious, as the breeders with which I'm aware only show one breed. Sound extremely expensive and time consuming to me. I know from having shown horses how much all this can cost. I don't mean to sound like I know all Maltese breeders. I certainly don't. I'm just very curious, as I am sort of aware of the cost of breeding, travel, handling, advertising, etc, of showing. Just showing a dog does not make their breeding practices successful or particularly good. That is NOT directed by any means. It is just a question. This is a very informative thread for me. I guess I have strayed off the original topic, but I'm very curious about this.

 

I know at least one AMA member that breeds and shows (quite successfully) maltese and yorkies. I'm sure it affects the number of dogs they can own of each breed, but many of the local breeders here work with each other to outcross quite a bit. The grooming is very similar for both breeds. And she believes each of their respective temperaments compliment the other. I don't see it as unusual at all, but maybe a breeder can comment?

 

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I know at least one AMA member that breeds and shows (quite successfully) maltese and yorkies. I'm sure it affects the number of dogs they can own of each breed, but many of the local breeders here work with each other to outcross quite a bit. The grooming is very similar for both breeds. And she believes each of their respective temperaments compliment the other. I don't see it as unusual at all, but maybe a breeder can comment?[/B]

It's not unusual, really. I just looked at the AMA list and four of the eleven breeders listed for California also breed (and show) yorkies. Honestly, I'm not sure where this thread went so off-topic (and to the OP, i apologize!) but if a breeder is reputable, there shouldnt' be any concerns about them being passionate about more than one breed. That's my opinion, anyway! I know there is talk about 'red flags' being thrown up in regard to breeders selling more than one breed of pup but that really is a separate issue. (more like the reputable vs. non-reputable breeders issue)