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Not sure it's a 'breed for greed' scenario but more having health issues in a line and deciding it's not worth breeding anymore and 'closing up shop'. I have more respect for that than the breeders who continue breeding dogs from lines that have given them serious health issues.

ETA: I am not 'defending' the breeder in question in any way. But I'd rather see a breeder not breed anymore than breed unhealthy lines.

Stacy, you've made an EXCELLENT point. I personally know more than one person (and they are GOOD people) who have totally gotten out of breeding because they thought they were doing the right thing, thought they were working with good dogs from good sources, and unexpectedly got hit hard with health problems. For some it was so emotionally as well as financially devastating that the only way they could heal the wounds was to get out of breeding.
 
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While[/URL] this is helpful in evaluating breeders, there is little info on who are the reputable breeders. The AMA list is an incomplete list. The breeders affiliated with AMA decide whether or not they want to be on the list. There are other AMA breeders out there that are NOT on the AMA list. [/QUOTE]

I am not a big fan of the term reputable because reputation does not speak to ethics. There are a number of people who have famous "reputations" that I would not go anywhere near for a dog. There are a number of other breeders who are not well known, but who are doing an excellent job trying their best to produce healthy, loving and ideal companion dogs.

I prefer to use the term ethics. And frankly there is never an easy way to judge someone's ethics. You have to do your homework. A lot of homework. My advice truly is to learn what questions to ask, consider what matters to you and meet the person either face to face at shows or in their home or in some way that you can get as assured as possible that they are being straight up front with you.

The AMA list is very much incomplete. It does only include those breeders who self-select and pay extra to be on it. Breeders who do not have frequent litters are less likely to wish to participate. However, active membership and participation in breed clubs and shows is one way to measure a breeder's commitment to breeding. This is one reason why I encourage people looking for a puppy to go to shows where they can meet breeders and see the dogs in person.

I don't see a list of good and bad "reputations" as the mission of this forum. I see this forum as a tool to learn and to help you decide for yourself what is important. Ideally, I wish everyone who was interested in buying a puppy would read as much as they can about what makes an ethical breeder and then I wish they would try to go to shows and find the breeders near them who are living up to those standards.
 
While[/URL] this is helpful in evaluating breeders, there is little info on who are the reputable breeders. The AMA list is an incomplete list. The breeders affiliated with AMA decide whether or not they want to be on the list. There are other AMA breeders out there that are NOT on the AMA list.
I am not a big fan of the term reputable because reputation does not speak to ethics. There are a number of people who have famous "reputations" that I would not go anywhere near for a dog. There are a number of other breeders who are not well known, but who are doing an excellent job trying their best to produce healthy, loving and ideal companion dogs.

I prefer to use the term ethics. And frankly there is never an easy way to judge someone's ethics. You have to do your homework. A lot of homework. My advice truly is to learn what questions to ask, consider what matters to you and meet the person either face to face at shows or in their home or in some way that you can get as assured as possible that they are being straight up front with you.

The AMA list is very much incomplete. It does only include those breeders who self-select and pay extra to be on it. Breeders who do not have frequent litters are less likely to wish to participate. However, active membership and participation in breed clubs and shows is one way to measure a breeder's commitment to breeding. This is one reason why I encourage people looking for a puppy to go to shows where they can meet breeders and see the dogs in person.

I don't see a list of good and bad "reputations" as the mission of this forum. I see this forum as a tool to learn and to help you decide for yourself what is important. Ideally, I wish everyone who was interested in buying a puppy would read as much as they can about what makes an ethical breeder and then I wish they would try to go to shows and find the breeders near them who are living up to those standards.[/QUOTE]


:goodpost: How would find out about these lesser known ethical breeders if there aren't maltese shown in the dog shows around them? Case in point, where i live there is usually only one dog show a year and i have yet to see a maltese there the one entry has never shown up. I would love to go to dog shows where maltese are being shown that way i can get to know the breeders and unfortunately i can't travel several hours away to shows.

I have to agree that i too like the term "Ethical" versus "Reputable" and you cannot always go by what is on the AMA list.
 
I am not a big fan of the term reputable because reputation does not speak to ethics. There are a number of people who have famous "reputations" that I would not go anywhere near for a dog. There are a number of other breeders who are not well known, but who are doing an excellent job trying their best to produce healthy, loving and ideal companion dogs.

I prefer to use the term ethics. And frankly there is never an easy way to judge someone's ethics. You have to do your homework. A lot of homework. My advice truly is to learn what questions to ask, consider what matters to you and meet the person either face to face at shows or in their home or in some way that you can get as assured as possible that they are being straight up front with you.

The AMA list is very much incomplete. It does only include those breeders who self-select and pay extra to be on it. Breeders who do not have frequent litters are less likely to wish to participate. However, active membership and participation in breed clubs and shows is one way to measure a breeder's commitment to breeding. This is one reason why I encourage people looking for a puppy to go to shows where they can meet breeders and see the dogs in person.

I don't see a list of good and bad "reputations" as the mission of this forum. I see this forum as a tool to learn and to help you decide for yourself what is important. Ideally, I wish everyone who was interested in buying a puppy would read as much as they can about what makes an ethical breeder and then I wish they would try to go to shows and find the breeders near them who are living up to those standards.

:goodpost: How would find out about these lesser known ethical breeders if there aren't maltese shown in the dog shows around them? Case in point, where i live there is usually only one dog show a year and i have yet to see a maltese there the one entry has never shown up. I would love to go to dog shows where maltese are being shown that way i can get to know the breeders and unfortunately i can't travel several hours away to shows.

I have to agree that i too like the term "Ethical" versus "Reputable" and you cannot always go by what is on the AMA list.[/QUOTE]

Debbie,

I don't know what you consider to be several hours away but if are able to you might want to consider the upcoming shows in Montgomery, AL, Nov 26-28 (Thanksgiving weekend). I realize Montgomery is not in your backyard and would make for a rather long day (Mapquest says 2 hrs. 40 mins. driving time each way), but last year there were 7 dogs shown on Friday, 6 on Saturday and 6 on Sunday. Entries for these upcoming shows close this Wednesday, November 10. The entry breakdown should be posted by next Friday on Onofrio's website (www.onofrio.com). Generally if there is only one class dog entered it won't be shown. If you find that there are 3 or more dogs and/or bitches entered at least some of them will generally be shown.

I know I sound like a broken record because I'm always suggesting that people go to dog shows. But it's really a good opportunity for breeder and buyer to meet in a neutral place where everybody can relax and nobody feels like they are being inspected. If you and the breeder like what you see in dogs and people, then you can arrange a mutually convenient time to visit with available puppies.
 
:goodpost: How would find out about these lesser known ethical breeders if there aren't maltese shown in the dog shows around them? Case in point, where i live there is usually only one dog show a year and i have yet to see a maltese there the one entry has never shown up. I would love to go to dog shows where maltese are being shown that way i can get to know the breeders and unfortunately i can't travel several hours away to shows.

I have to agree that i too like the term "Ethical" versus "Reputable" and you cannot always go by what is on the AMA list.
Debbie,

I don't know what you consider to be several hours away but if are able to you might want to consider the upcoming shows in Montgomery, AL, Nov 26-28 (Thanksgiving weekend). I realize Montgomery is not in your backyard and would make for a rather long day (Mapquest says 2 hrs. 40 mins. driving time each way), but last year there were 7 dogs shown on Friday, 6 on Saturday and 6 on Sunday. Entries for these upcoming shows close this Wednesday, November 10. The entry breakdown should be posted by next Friday on Onofrio's website (www.onofrio.com). Generally if there is only one class dog entered it won't be shown. If you find that there are 3 or more dogs and/or bitches entered at least some of them will generally be shown.

I know I sound like a broken record because I'm always suggesting that people go to dog shows. But it's really a good opportunity for breeder and buyer to meet in a neutral place where everybody can relax and nobody feels like they are being inspected. If you and the breeder like what you see in dogs and people, then you can arrange a mutually convenient time to visit with available puppies.[/QUOTE]


Thank you Mary, Montgomery is only about 2 1/2 hours from me so hopefully i'll be able to make it up to the show that weekend.

I don't think you sound like a broken record, what your saying makes complete sense. I look it as your trying to help potential owners find an "Ethical" breeder and get to know the lesser known breeders that have excellent pups available.
 
I'm glad this was brought up. I don't know if anyone is familiar with the "Maltese Only" website. There is a list of reputable breeders on that site that can be purchased for $5. The breeders are listed by state. There is also a special Feedback forum where people can anonymously post their experiences with the breeders good or bad. Anyone can read the comments but the list has to be purchased to see who the breeders are. (you get a pin#) Only the facts can be posted. It is a good system that has worked well for several years. This is how I found my breeder. There were many comments from people who had purchased Malts from her, and all of them were great. Reputations good or bad get around and the most reliable information like Mary H said, should be from someone who has actually purchased a dog from said breeder. Emotions, gossip, and back-biting need to be kept out of it. (sometimes I have to bite my tongue!:HistericalSmiley:) Breeders are not gods. Sometimes things go wrong without the breeder's intention. The best contract protects the dog, the buyer, and the breeder. Perhaps we could do a feedback forum on this site. To get an idea of how it works go to: Maltese Dog Breeder Feedback/Comments
I can tell you for sure that MO does not check out the complaint and posts it as if it is true. A dear friend was placed on that list because a buyer was dissatisfied and wanted to trash her. This buyer was offered the purchase of the puppy back. The buyer would not have been satisfied no matter what my friend would have done. Needless to say my friend was devastated, because she strives to breed a nice healthy Maltese.
Only breeders get on the MO list if the Mrs approves of you. It is very one sided and it isn't all ways the right side. People with power like to use it and MO is one of those. JMO
 
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While[/URL] this is helpful in evaluating breeders, there is little info on who are the reputable breeders. The AMA list is an incomplete list. The breeders affiliated with AMA decide whether or not they want to be on the list. There are other AMA breeders out there that are NOT on the AMA list. [/QUOTE]

First, I just want to say, your two little girls are so darn cute.

As far as MO, I was never a member, however, when loosing my Kara, I was devestated, jumped on the internet, was so excited that their was a list of breeders. I actually thought it was the AMA list, I didn't know, but it's the American Breeder List. I happyily paid the $5, for the MO list, thinking, and so happy that it's a start and I am going in the right direction. I used the list as a guide, and just from my own personal experience, now this is going back over two years ago, so it since may have changed, I would not reccommend the list to anyone, just based on my experience and the homework (home visits and such) that I did after getting the list. I did not interact with all on that list, to be fair, but still would not reccomend the list, even if it were free.

I think the AMA is a good place to start, but there again, WONDERFUL breeders are not on there, and with any list, you still have to do your own follow-up. Meaning, visit, see the pups, the parents, meet the breeder.
I think dog shows would be a wonderful place to get to know the breeders and see their dogs (after they are done showing, not while they are grooming :), and if you click with someone, then you can start from there. Oh how I would love to go to a dog show. I'll get there someday.

AprilB, all of this is just a general statement and as I said I adore your little girls :wub:

I too, like the term Ethical vs. Reputable.
 
I think MO is now owned by Chrisman Maltese but I no longer use the forum.

Doing homework is a given, in my opinion. I was simply suggesting an ethical way to give feedback on breeders. I think MO does an excellent job with this and that we could learn from it.
It has been my understanding that relationship (Chrisman) was relitavely short lived, and Jay once again is the owner. Not using that forum is a wise move on your part. :)

Yep, many of us old timers are familiar with him and his site and wouldn't give him one cent of our money. :angry::yucky::thmbdn:
You're right on about that Sher!
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I can tell you for sure that MO does not check out the complaint and posts it as if it is true. A dear friend was placed on that list because a buyer was dissatisfied and wanted to trash her. This buyer was offered the purchase of the puppy back. The buyer would not have been satisfied no matter what my friend would have done. Needless to say my friend was devastated, because she strives to breed a nice healthy Maltese.
Only breeders get on the MO list if the Mrs approves of you. It is very one sided and it isn't all ways the right side. People with power like to use it and MO is one of those. JMO
Does not suprise me - it's a VERY autocratic site.
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Sorry about your friend being trashed.

While[/URL] this is helpful in evaluating breeders, there is little info on who are the reputable breeders. The AMA list is an incomplete list. The breeders affiliated with AMA decide whether or not they want to be on the list. There are other AMA breeders out there that are NOT on the AMA list.
I am not a big fan of the term reputable because reputation does not speak to ethics. There are a number of people who have famous "reputations" that I would not go anywhere near for a dog. There are a number of other breeders who are not well known, but who are doing an excellent job trying their best to produce healthy, loving and ideal companion dogs.

I prefer to use the term ethics. And frankly there is never an easy way to judge someone's ethics. You have to do your homework. A lot of homework. My advice truly is to learn what questions to ask, consider what matters to you and meet the person either face to face at shows or in their home or in some way that you can get as assured as possible that they are being straight up front with you.

The AMA list is very much incomplete. It does only include those breeders who self-select and pay extra to be on it. Breeders who do not have frequent litters are less likely to wish to participate. However, active membership and participation in breed clubs and shows is one way to measure a breeder's commitment to breeding. This is one reason why I encourage people looking for a puppy to go to shows where they can meet breeders and see the dogs in person.

I don't see a list of good and bad "reputations" as the mission of this forum. I see this forum as a tool to learn and to help you decide for yourself what is important. Ideally, I wish everyone who was interested in buying a puppy would read as much as they can about what makes an ethical breeder and then I wish they would try to go to shows and find the breeders near them who are living up to those standards.[/QUOTE]

Of course you are right...In my mind, when using the word reputable, I think reputable and ethical are synonmous.
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TIME FOR ME TO PUT IT OUT THERE-- the WHOLE TRUTH

Valid concerns have been raised here and in PMs. I have been reluctant to answer with the breeder's name or her kennel's name, thinking that she HAS gone out of business forever, but I have no way to know that this is true. She has lied about many things. Her lies have changed, depending on how disordered her thinking was on any given day.

I know that there are members here who have bought and raised her puppies and love them like their children. I also own two healthy Maltese from her and love them dearly. This does NOT negate the facts that I will attempt to reiterate here concisely. She did have good breeding stock for a long time and produced pretty dogs. She bought out a maltese breeder who started breeding yorkies.. THAT lady was the person who showed most of the dogs and attained champion titles. Not Claudia. She bought champion adults.

Her name is Claudia Graham. Husband and co-owner is Steve Graham. In the DFW metroplex suburbs. Kennel name is/ was Divinity Maltese.

I have had 2 people contact me from other states because their Divinity babies were dying from liver problems, They had read my posts when I first got my boys and had posted about how great Claudia was on another forum. Both of their dogs were adult dogs, and Claudia would not help them either. AND before ANYONE tries to say that she didn't have the money, let me tell you-- she had MANY young, healthy champion Maltese dogs which belonged to her at the time. She could have sold some and helped us. She could have bred the healthy ones and given us each a puppy. She did neither.

Yes, my dogs were beautiful beyond words and were very expensive considering what Divinity Maltese was. Over $2500 per male puppy. The other would be exceedingly beautiful if he had lived to grow up.. And we own an adult dog of Claudia's, a finished AKC champion, who had extreme behavioral problems related to her years spent in a cage, only able to use the bathroom on Claudia's schedule, having circling behaviors which are usually not able to be stopped.. She is now 4 years old, and is finally well- adjusted, will lie on her back for tummy rubs, will give kisses, does not circle, is so happy she jumps straight up off the floor with joy, and her big beautiful eyes show the utter thrill of truly LIVING again. We spent $2300 just to BUY her. Unspayed and 6 weeks post partum after her 3rd C Section at age 2. That poor pitiful baby girl needed us.. I wonder how many of the hoarded adults didn't fare as well...

I do not know if Claudia stopped her breeding or merely took "a break". There was a poster named "ShannonB" who is her daughter in law. Shanon and Claudia's son raise GSDs for profit. Shannon once let it slip that Claudia's sister has one of the dogs Claudia listed as "sold" on her website. I believe this particular dog would be too old to breed now, but many others, like about 10 females and at least 7 males would not be too old. The reason given publicly on the dog board for the " break" was that Shannon and hubby were having Claudia's first grandchild about a year ago.

Claudia did NOT have her dogs shown. She bought Champions. She had 2 dogs which she invested a year into getting champion status.. Nicky and Noelle. Brother and sister. She didn't like them at all after they returned to her off the show circuit. She told me as much.

This is a very disturbed person to hoard dogs in spare rooms behind closed doors with the blinds closed and an 8 foot solid fence. Prospective buyers were allowed to come inside a beautiful house..2 rooms of a beautiful house, that is.. And loud barking and howling could be heard throughout the rest of the house. It was never addressed. At one time on her website, she had over a dozen female breeders and 8 males at stud.. Yet, she didn't sell many puppies. She KEPT them.. to breed... it truly was a bad situation. She could not let go of her dogs and puppies until something bad started happening with the health of SOME of the dogs she had sold. Then she freaked. Said the ASPCA was going to get her. Said there were helicopters flying over, taking photos of all the dogs outdoors together. Said ehe was taking them outdoors in shifts. Was going to transfer ownership to Shannon and her husband for legal reasons.

We bought from Claudia based upon solid recommendations from vets we knew and trusted who owned her dogs. Before the hoarding and liver genetic problems showed up/ were known to US.


And most of all, before Claudia stopped honoring her part of the sales contract which said she would replace a sick puppy with a like quality and priced well puppy, or issue a refund. She did neither, and our little boy had 2 surgeries at Texas A and M, and months of expensive treatments. We did EVERYTHING POSSIBLE that would not cause him more pain ,according to his specilaists, to try and save him.

Every day is difficult without him. My living Maltese boy looks for his beloved little playmate, and my Maltese girl looks for the other little boy. I believe they are grieving. They can't understand, and part of me doesnt want them to ever forget him..

This is the whole truth. For those of you who own Claudia's dogs and think she is wonderful, I am sorry to tell the other side of the story but it needs to see the light of day as badly as most of her precious babies did, day in and day out. She abused those dogs through overcrowding and not being able to take care of them adequately due to the sheer number of them.

If you do not agree with me, I understand. I could not believe what I was seeing with the hoarding. I could not believe she would stop responding to me, her confidant of many months when she became paranoid about PETA and the ASPCA being after her.. It was her OWN guilt about the hoarding bothering her mind, not any animal rights group!!! She stopped all communication with me, changed email and phone numbers etc as soon as my baby's illness was diagnosed and I was panicking. Of course I turned to her. I had trusted her.

I hope there is a lesson here for someone other than just me. I was told she was great. There are posts here which say she is great, and that her dogs are great, beautiful, cared for in a private home setting ( understatement), etc.

Please learn from my experience. If you hear many dogs barking and crying behind closed doors of what is supposed to be a normal home with a few little dogs in it, GET OUT. Just say anything and get out.

I honestly do not know who to try to trust again to buy another little boy from. Remembering all that Claudia did which was good and kind when she had our business, then the craziness after that, and then the downright mean behavior.. it is scary to me. My dogs are my babies. They are treated with care, kindness, compassion, excellent regular vet care, healthy living conditions, even luxury living.. because they are LOVED.

Thank you.
 
While[/URL] this is helpful in evaluating breeders, there is little info on who are the reputable breeders. The AMA list is an incomplete list. The breeders affiliated with AMA decide whether or not they want to be on the list. There are other AMA breeders out there that are NOT on the AMA list.
I am not a big fan of the term reputable because reputation does not speak to ethics. There are a number of people who have famous "reputations" that I would not go anywhere near for a dog. There are a number of other breeders who are not well known, but who are doing an excellent job trying their best to produce healthy, loving and ideal companion dogs.

I prefer to use the term ethics. And frankly there is never an easy way to judge someone's ethics. You have to do your homework. A lot of homework. My advice truly is to learn what questions to ask, consider what matters to you and meet the person either face to face at shows or in their home or in some way that you can get as assured as possible that they are being straight up front with you.

The AMA list is very much incomplete. It does only include those breeders who self-select and pay extra to be on it. Breeders who do not have frequent litters are less likely to wish to participate. However, active membership and participation in breed clubs and shows is one way to measure a breeder's commitment to breeding. This is one reason why I encourage people looking for a puppy to go to shows where they can meet breeders and see the dogs in person.

I don't see a list of good and bad "reputations" as the mission of this forum. I see this forum as a tool to learn and to help you decide for yourself what is important. Ideally, I wish everyone who was interested in buying a puppy would read as much as they can about what makes an ethical breeder and then I wish they would try to go to shows and find the breeders near them who are living up to those standards.[/QUOTE]
:goodpost::goodpost:
 
Valid concerns have been raised here and in PMs. I have been reluctant to answer with the breeder's name or her kennel's name, thinking that she HAS gone out of business forever, but I have no way to know that this is true. She has lied about many things. Her lies have changed, depending on how disordered her thinking was on any given day.

I know that there are members here who have bought and raised her puppies and love them like their children. I also own two healthy Maltese from her and love them dearly. This does NOT negate the facts that I will attempt to reiterate here concisely. She did have good breeding stock for a long time and produced pretty dogs. She bought out a maltese breeder who started breeding yorkies.. THAT lady was the person who showed most of the dogs and attained champion titles. Not Claudia. She bought champion adults.

Her name is Claudia Graham. Husband and co-owner is Steve Graham. In the DFW metroplex suburbs. Kennel name is/ was Divinity Maltese.

I have had 2 people contact me from other states because their Divinity babies were dying from liver problems, They had read my posts when I first got my boys and had posted about how great Claudia was on another forum. Both of their dogs were adult dogs, and Claudia would not help them either. AND before ANYONE tries to say that she didn't have the money, let me tell you-- she had MANY young, healthy champion Maltese dogs which belonged to her at the time. She could have sold some and helped us. She could have bred the healthy ones and given us each a puppy. She did neither.

Yes, my dogs were beautiful beyond words and were very expensive considering what Divinity Maltese was. Over $2500 per male puppy. The other would be exceedingly beautiful if he had lived to grow up.. And we own an adult dog of Claudia's, a finished AKC champion, who had extreme behavioral problems related to her years spent in a cage, only able to use the bathroom on Claudia's schedule, having circling behaviors which are usually not able to be stopped.. She is now 4 years old, and is finally well- adjusted, will lie on her back for tummy rubs, will give kisses, does not circle, is so happy she jumps straight up off the floor with joy, and her big beautiful eyes show the utter thrill of truly LIVING again. We spent $2300 just to BUY her. Unspayed and 6 weeks post partum after her 3rd C Section at age 2. That poor pitiful baby girl needed us.. I wonder how many of the hoarded adults didn't fare as well...

I do not know if Claudia stopped her breeding or merely took "a break". There was a poster named "ShannonB" who is her daughter in law. Shanon and Claudia's son raise GSDs for profit. Shannon once let it slip that Claudia's sister has one of the dogs Claudia listed as "sold" on her website. I believe this particular dog would be too old to breed now, but many others, like about 10 females and at least 7 males would not be too old. The reason given publicly on the dog board for the " break" was that Shannon and hubby were having Claudia's first grandchild about a year ago.

Claudia did NOT have her dogs shown. She bought Champions. She had 2 dogs which she invested a year into getting champion status.. Nicky and Noelle. Brother and sister. She didn't like them at all after they returned to her off the show circuit. She told me as much.

This is a very disturbed person to hoard dogs in spare rooms behind closed doors with the blinds closed and an 8 foot solid fence. Prospective buyers were allowed to come inside a beautiful house..2 rooms of a beautiful house, that is.. And loud barking and howling could be heard throughout the rest of the house. It was never addressed. At one time on her website, she had over a dozen female breeders and 8 males at stud.. Yet, she didn't sell many puppies. She KEPT them.. to breed... it truly was a bad situation. She could not let go of her dogs and puppies until something bad started happening with the health of SOME of the dogs she had sold. Then she freaked. Said the ASPCA was going to get her. Said there were helicopters flying over, taking photos of all the dogs outdoors together. Said ehe was taking them outdoors in shifts. Was going to transfer ownership to Shannon and her husband for legal reasons.

We bought from Claudia based upon solid recommendations from vets we knew and trusted who owned her dogs. Before the hoarding and liver genetic problems showed up/ were known to US.


And most of all, before Claudia stopped honoring her part of the sales contract which said she would replace a sick puppy with a like quality and priced well puppy, or issue a refund. She did neither, and our little boy had 2 surgeries at Texas A and M, and months of expensive treatments. We did EVERYTHING POSSIBLE that would not cause him more pain ,according to his specilaists, to try and save him.

Every day is difficult without him. My living Maltese boy looks for his beloved little playmate, and my Maltese girl looks for the other little boy. I believe they are grieving. They can't understand, and part of me doesnt want them to ever forget him..

This is the whole truth. For those of you who own Claudia's dogs and think she is wonderful, I am sorry to tell the other side of the story but it needs to see the light of day as badly as most of her precious babies did, day in and day out. She abused those dogs through overcrowding and not being able to take care of them adequately due to the sheer number of them.

If you do not agree with me, I understand. I could not believe what I was seeing with the hoarding. I could not believe she would stop responding to me, her confidant of many months when she became paranoid about PETA and the ASPCA being after her.. It was her OWN guilt about the hoarding bothering her mind, not any animal rights group!!! She stopped all communication with me, changed email and phone numbers etc as soon as my baby's illness was diagnosed and I was panicking. Of course I turned to her. I had trusted her.

I hope there is a lesson here for someone other than just me. I was told she was great. There are posts here which say she is great, and that her dogs are great, beautiful, cared for in a private home setting ( understatement), etc.

Please learn from my experience. If you hear many dogs barking and crying behind closed doors of what is supposed to be a normal home with a few little dogs in it, GET OUT. Just say anything and get out.

I honestly do not know who to try to trust again to buy another little boy from. Remembering all that Claudia did which was good and kind when she had our business, then the craziness after that, and then the downright mean behavior.. it is scary to me. My dogs are my babies. They are treated with care, kindness, compassion, excellent regular vet care, healthy living conditions, even luxury living.. because they are LOVED.

Thank you.
No! Thank you for posting this. The owners of babies with this bloodline need to see this. The website is still up with the message:

"We are not currently breeding."

 
I am so very sorry for your pain. I too have lost a dog way too young and I know how awful and helpless I felt. I am new to this forum, but I really think you are in a great place. These ladies have been wonderful and are a wealth on information. I have been so blessed already by their kindness.

I know you will find just the right baby boy for your family. Hang in there, you will find him! hugs to you and your furbabies.
 
Valid concerns have been raised here and in PMs. I have been reluctant to answer with the breeder's name or her kennel's name, thinking that she HAS gone out of business forever, but I have no way to know that this is true. She has lied about many things. Her lies have changed, depending on how disordered her thinking was on any given day.

I know that there are members here who have bought and raised her puppies and love them like their children. I also own two healthy Maltese from her and love them dearly. This does NOT negate the facts that I will attempt to reiterate here concisely. She did have good breeding stock for a long time and produced pretty dogs. She bought out a maltese breeder who started breeding yorkies.. THAT lady was the person who showed most of the dogs and attained champion titles. Not Claudia. She bought champion adults.

Her name is Claudia Graham. Husband and co-owner is Steve Graham. In the DFW metroplex suburbs. Kennel name is/ was Divinity Maltese.

I have had 2 people contact me from other states because their Divinity babies were dying from liver problems, They had read my posts when I first got my boys and had posted about how great Claudia was on another forum. Both of their dogs were adult dogs, and Claudia would not help them either. AND before ANYONE tries to say that she didn't have the money, let me tell you-- she had MANY young, healthy champion Maltese dogs which belonged to her at the time. She could have sold some and helped us. She could have bred the healthy ones and given us each a puppy. She did neither.

Yes, my dogs were beautiful beyond words and were very expensive considering what Divinity Maltese was. Over $2500 per male puppy. The other would be exceedingly beautiful if he had lived to grow up.. And we own an adult dog of Claudia's, a finished AKC champion, who had extreme behavioral problems related to her years spent in a cage, only able to use the bathroom on Claudia's schedule, having circling behaviors which are usually not able to be stopped.. She is now 4 years old, and is finally well- adjusted, will lie on her back for tummy rubs, will give kisses, does not circle, is so happy she jumps straight up off the floor with joy, and her big beautiful eyes show the utter thrill of truly LIVING again. We spent $2300 just to BUY her. Unspayed and 6 weeks post partum after her 3rd C Section at age 2. That poor pitiful baby girl needed us.. I wonder how many of the hoarded adults didn't fare as well...

I do not know if Claudia stopped her breeding or merely took "a break". There was a poster named "ShannonB" who is her daughter in law. Shanon and Claudia's son raise GSDs for profit. Shannon once let it slip that Claudia's sister has one of the dogs Claudia listed as "sold" on her website. I believe this particular dog would be too old to breed now, but many others, like about 10 females and at least 7 males would not be too old. The reason given publicly on the dog board for the " break" was that Shannon and hubby were having Claudia's first grandchild about a year ago.

Claudia did NOT have her dogs shown. She bought Champions. She had 2 dogs which she invested a year into getting champion status.. Nicky and Noelle. Brother and sister. She didn't like them at all after they returned to her off the show circuit. She told me as much.

This is a very disturbed person to hoard dogs in spare rooms behind closed doors with the blinds closed and an 8 foot solid fence. Prospective buyers were allowed to come inside a beautiful house..2 rooms of a beautiful house, that is.. And loud barking and howling could be heard throughout the rest of the house. It was never addressed. At one time on her website, she had over a dozen female breeders and 8 males at stud.. Yet, she didn't sell many puppies. She KEPT them.. to breed... it truly was a bad situation. She could not let go of her dogs and puppies until something bad started happening with the health of SOME of the dogs she had sold. Then she freaked. Said the ASPCA was going to get her. Said there were helicopters flying over, taking photos of all the dogs outdoors together. Said ehe was taking them outdoors in shifts. Was going to transfer ownership to Shannon and her husband for legal reasons.

We bought from Claudia based upon solid recommendations from vets we knew and trusted who owned her dogs. Before the hoarding and liver genetic problems showed up/ were known to US.


And most of all, before Claudia stopped honoring her part of the sales contract which said she would replace a sick puppy with a like quality and priced well puppy, or issue a refund. She did neither, and our little boy had 2 surgeries at Texas A and M, and months of expensive treatments. We did EVERYTHING POSSIBLE that would not cause him more pain ,according to his specilaists, to try and save him.

Every day is difficult without him. My living Maltese boy looks for his beloved little playmate, and my Maltese girl looks for the other little boy. I believe they are grieving. They can't understand, and part of me doesnt want them to ever forget him..

This is the whole truth. For those of you who own Claudia's dogs and think she is wonderful, I am sorry to tell the other side of the story but it needs to see the light of day as badly as most of her precious babies did, day in and day out. She abused those dogs through overcrowding and not being able to take care of them adequately due to the sheer number of them.

If you do not agree with me, I understand. I could not believe what I was seeing with the hoarding. I could not believe she would stop responding to me, her confidant of many months when she became paranoid about PETA and the ASPCA being after her.. It was her OWN guilt about the hoarding bothering her mind, not any animal rights group!!! She stopped all communication with me, changed email and phone numbers etc as soon as my baby's illness was diagnosed and I was panicking. Of course I turned to her. I had trusted her.

I hope there is a lesson here for someone other than just me. I was told she was great. There are posts here which say she is great, and that her dogs are great, beautiful, cared for in a private home setting ( understatement), etc.

Please learn from my experience. If you hear many dogs barking and crying behind closed doors of what is supposed to be a normal home with a few little dogs in it, GET OUT. Just say anything and get out.

I honestly do not know who to try to trust again to buy another little boy from. Remembering all that Claudia did which was good and kind when she had our business, then the craziness after that, and then the downright mean behavior.. it is scary to me. My dogs are my babies. They are treated with care, kindness, compassion, excellent regular vet care, healthy living conditions, even luxury living.. because they are LOVED.

Thank you.

I know this was hard for you, but thank you so much for posting so that other owners of pups from this breeder know what is going on. :grouphug:
 
I am so sorry that you had to go through this horrible experience. It just goes to show that there is always two sides to a story. When reading old posts on SM about this breeder, one wouldn't see this side. I know there is another breeder who is often mentioned favorably on here that I saw a different side of that is totally different. I stumbled on the truth by not taking the right turn in her drive. This led me to the outside kennel filled with dogs.
Perhaps it would help some others if you could give the pedigree of your pup who died, or at least give the parents, if a full pedigree is not possible.
Good luck in your search for an ethical breeder and a healthy pet.
 
He didn't live long enough for me to get the 4 generation pedigree from the AKC,

His dam was Paris.
His sire was Rio, a finished AKC Ch purchased from another breeder.

His sire's father was Cherub's " Michael"- "Ch The Godfather". His dam's sire was Ch.Trula's Midnight Rider.
I do not know whether the genetic disease was carried on the paternal or maternal side, a spontaneous mutation, or a combo of both maternal and paternal genes.

As for a discussion of Divinity Maltese goes, there was a poster named Jenn who was getting a puppy from Divinity and was excited. YES, Claudia was VERY nice to all of us who were spending tons of money on her dogs. And I know that the lady who is Claudia's neighbor and owns Tilly and Tango loves Claudia a lot. I even met Tilly and Tango... I know I am putting myself on the line by telling the truth.

Jenn was one of the people who contacted me because her dog, Miley, became very very ill, I am not certain what happened to Miley as my father had cancer, I had an elderly dog with cancer, and Bijoux was becoming ill at the same time.
I hope so much that I can help stop this cycle, if it has not stopped on its own. Please help me help others.
 
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I am so sorry to read what you went through. I never meant or intended to cause you any pain, in any way - whatsoever - in sharing your story.

I see too many fluffs discarded like withered flowers - it sickens me. Also, I hear many stories like yours, which breaks my heart - I grieve with, and for you.

I am glad the YOU had the intellect to realize that, I was not questioning your integrity or motives.

Wishing you the very best.

Warm regards,

Allie
 
To ParisandRio - My heart goes out to you ... how devastating for you, for your dogs, and for those who own related dogs. You are all in my thoughts and prayers. About your remaining pups, I would advise that you bring them to your vet for a bile acid test. Although the test is not inexpensive ($100 - $150), it is money well spent for peace of mind. I would be happy to speak with you privately about the procedure and the value of bile acid testing. Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to speak and I will call you.

To everyone else reading this thread - ParisandRio has raised so many good points. Take her experience to heart when looking for your next puppy. VISIT WITH THE BREEDER AND THE PUPPIES BEFORE BUYING. Ask to have a bile acid test done BEFORE you bring your puppy home and offer to pay for the test. Be willing to wait until the puppy is 15-16 weeks old to have the test done. Make sure you get the official lab results of the test so that you can pass those results along to your vet so that they become a part of your puppy's permanent medical records.

Liver Shunt/MVD is a known issue in our breed. Anywhere from 65% upwards of the dogs tested have higher than normal bile acid values. This does not mean a death sentence!! In most cases it means an asymptomatic MVD dog who lives a full, long, healthy life. Please be understanding of the breeders who do not routinely test. Many of them have been breeding for years from well-established lines that have never produced a liver shunt. That experience counts for a lot. And please be understanding of the breeders who cannot speak eloquently about liver issues. Just because they cannot easily and comfortably spew forth the scientific data regarding PSVA/MVD DOES NOT MAKE THEM BAD, UNINFORMED, UNCARING BREEDERS. I can speak comfortably about liver issues because I had the benefit of working with and being tutored by a very knowledgeable vet. But I can't speak nearly as well as other breeders about a whole host of other issues. It doesn't make any one breeder better or smarter than another. I have spoken with many of you privately about liver issues and am happy to continue to do that. I'm not interested in who bred your dog or the pedigree behind your dog. If you share that information that's your choice. But be assured that YOUR INFORMATION WILL NEVER GET PASSED ON BY ME TO ANYBODY ELSE. My only interest is in getting good information out to you so that you can make informed decisions.
 
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To ParisandRio - My heart goes out to you ... how devastating for you, for your dogs, and for those who own related dogs. You are all in my thoughts and prayers. About your remaining pups, I would advise that you bring them to your vet for a bile acid test. Although the test is not inexpensive ($100 - $150), it is money well spent for peace of mind. I would be happy to speak with you privately about the procedure and the value of bile acid testing. Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to speak and I will call you.

To everyone else reading this thread - ParisandRio has raised so many good points. Take her experience to heart when looking for your next puppy. VISIT WITH THE BREEDER AND THE PUPPIES BEFORE BUYING. Ask to have a bile acid test done BEFORE you bring your puppy home and offer to pay for the test. Be willing to wait until the puppy is 15-16 weeks old to have the test done. Make sure you get the official lab results of the test so that you can pass those results along to your vet so that they become a part of your puppy's permanent medical records.

Liver Shunt/MVD is a known issue in our breed. Anywhere from 65% upwards of the dogs tested have higher than normal bile acid values. This does not mean a death sentence!! In most cases it means an asymptomatic MVD dog who lives a full, long, healthy life. Please be understanding of the breeders who do not routinely test. Many of them have been breeding for years from well-established lines that have never produced a liver shunt. That experience counts for a lot. And please be understanding of the breeders who cannot speak eloquently about liver issues. Just because they cannot easily and comfortably spew forth the scientific data regarding PSVA/MVD DOES NOT MAKE THEM BAD, UNINFORMED, UNCARING BREEDERS. I can speak comfortably about liver issues because I had the benefit of working with and being tutored by a very knowledgeable vet. But I can't speak nearly as well as other breeders about a whole host of other issues. It doesn't make any one breeder better or smarter than another. I have spoken with many of you privately about liver issues and am happy to continue to do that. I'm not interested in who bred your dog or the pedigree behind your dog. If you share that information that's your choice. But be assured that YOUR INFORMATION WILL NEVER GET PASSED ON BY ME TO ANYBODY ELSE. My only interest is in getting good information out to you so that you can make informed decisions.
I'm making an appointment for Lucy tomorrow for this test.

Thank you Mary

(((Hugs)))
 
To ParisandRio - My heart goes out to you ... how devastating for you, for your dogs, and for those who own related dogs. You are all in my thoughts and prayers. About your remaining pups, I would advise that you bring them to your vet for a bile acid test. Although the test is not inexpensive ($100 - $150), it is money well spent for peace of mind. I would be happy to speak with you privately about the procedure and the value of bile acid testing. Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to speak and I will call you.

To everyone else reading this thread - ParisandRio has raised so many good points. Take her experience to heart when looking for your next puppy. VISIT WITH THE BREEDER AND THE PUPPIES BEFORE BUYING. Ask to have a bile acid test done BEFORE you bring your puppy home and offer to pay for the test. Be willing to wait until the puppy is 15-16 weeks old to have the test done. Make sure you get the official lab results of the test so that you can pass those results along to your vet so that they become a part of your puppy's permanent medical records.

Liver Shunt/MVD is a known issue in our breed. Anywhere from 65% upwards of the dogs tested have higher than normal bile acid values. This does not mean a death sentence!! In most cases it means an asymptomatic MVD dog who lives a full, long, healthy life. Please be understanding of the breeders who do not routinely test. Many of them have been breeding for years from well-established lines that have never produced a liver shunt. That experience counts for a lot. And please be understanding of the breeders who cannot speak eloquently about liver issues. Just because they cannot easily and comfortably spew forth the scientific data regarding PSVA/MVD DOES NOT MAKE THEM BAD, UNINFORMED, UNCARING BREEDERS. I can speak comfortably about liver issues because I had the benefit of working with and being tutored by a very knowledgeable vet. But I can't speak nearly as well as other breeders about a whole host of other issues. It doesn't make any one breeder better or smarter than another. I have spoken with many of you privately about liver issues and am happy to continue to do that. I'm not interested in who bred your dog or the pedigree behind your dog. If you share that information that's your choice. But be assured that YOUR INFORMATION WILL NEVER GET PASSED ON BY ME TO ANYBODY ELSE. My only interest is in getting good information out to you so that you can make informed decisions.
The bottom line-- Divinity Maltese became a bad and uncaring breeder when they refused to honor the sales contract on our puppy with a replacement puppy guarantee.
The breeder did not cause the liver disease, no, nor could it have been prevented. I know that. I think most Malt owners know this.

I made an informed decision. I bought a beautiful little boy from a lady who said she honored her contractual obligations. I honored my part, but she did not honor hers, when she could have. There's no way to spin this.
 
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